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re: George Lucas disappointed with the lack of creativity in The Force Awakens
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:51 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:51 am to OMLandshark
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JJ clearly does understand why the Original Star Wars worked. The characters were good enough to hold the film on their own terms, and it needed to be done in a familiar setting.
This really is the main point.
Looking back, I think it's VERY CLEAR at this point that the world was saved by Lucas simply not having the SFX at his finger tips he eventually did while making the original series. While he and his team certainly pushed the boundaries of FX to make the first trilogy, they did so in a way that not only felt believable (no CGI with actors dealing with tennis balls on sticks or giants green screen warehouses instead of sets) but ended up creating what we all came to know WAS the Star Wars universe. When Lucas then went back to "fix" the old ones and then re-shoot the new ones with the new tech, he removed so much of what literally MADE the movies special. So much of them simply didn't look at all like, well...Star Wars.
Sure, there were issues with some things in TFA, but the truth of the matter is I never really cared, because the giant smile on my face from sitting there and being taken back to being 7 years old and sitting in the theater watching Star Wars made up for it completely. JJ, with all his faults, made a damn Star Wars movie, and none of the trilogies were...and that will always fall on the shoulders of one George Lucas for not really comprehending what he created or why fans found them special.
And again...anyone who pulls mother-fricking midiclorians out of their arse to explain The Force deserves to be ignored in total for eternity...
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Posted on 1/30/16 at 3:35 pm to Bench McElroy
frick you Lucas, you ruined everything with JarJar and fricking mitochlorians
Posted on 1/30/16 at 6:15 pm to Bench McElroy
I have to admit I was disappointed a lot with another Death Star. And why call them the New Order? Why not just have the opening scroll say the war is still going between the remnants of the Empire and the New Republic? Seems easier and makes more sense.
Nothing about the directing bothered me. I thought it was very well done and the actors did awesomely.
I thought Kylo Ren was pretty lame. The story overall could have been better.
Nothing about the directing bothered me. I thought it was very well done and the actors did awesomely.
I thought Kylo Ren was pretty lame. The story overall could have been better.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 7:17 pm to alajones
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And why call them the New Order? Why not just have the opening scroll say the war is still going between the remnants of the Empire and the New Republic? Seems easier and makes more sense.
Then you or someone else would be in here complaining about how unoriginal that part of the movie was. "Why are they still fighting the Empire? I thought that ended in "Return of the Jedi." Abrams is so unoriginal and used too much from previous films."
I'm sure we'll find out why they are called the First Order at some point, they are not the "New Order" as you have said.
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I thought Kylo Ren was pretty lame.
Why was he lame?
Posted on 1/30/16 at 7:26 pm to Sasquatch Smash
My bad. First Order. I've only seen it once.
I guess Kylo just wasn't as menacing as Vader. Vader was practically invincible.
I guess Kylo just wasn't as menacing as Vader. Vader was practically invincible.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 7:48 pm to alajones
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I guess Kylo just wasn't as menacing as Vader. Vader was practically invincible.
I mean, that's kind of the point of his character. He is desperately trying to be just like Vader, but failing at that. Kind of a kid playing dress up. His struggle was trying to overcome the light to be dark. Setting him up to be a sympathetic character, but that's going to be tough to find redemption in the eyes of fans after murdering such a beloved character.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 8:54 pm to Sasquatch Smash
I get that he's supposed to be this conflicted character. Maybe I'm just getting old.
I did love all the sub atmospheric fighter sequences.
I did love all the sub atmospheric fighter sequences.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 8:59 pm to Bench McElroy
Because JJ Abrams ruins movies. Don't get me wrong, the movie may be decent, but he'll kill the original feel of franchise a la Star Trek.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:04 pm to alajones
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I guess Kylo just wasn't as menacing as Vader. Vader was practically invincible.
Darth Vader was a pretty hollow villain in the original. Intimidating certainly, but still hollow. Empire made him one of the all time greats, and it's because they introduced his vulnerability. A great villain should have a vulnerability that the audience can relate with to reconcile the horrible things the villain does. All the all-time great villains have it. JJ just decided to put it out up front and in the very core of the character. I think that was a great choice and can't wait to see what they do with his character going forward. He will be much more intimidating and powerful in Episode VIII, to where I'm almost certain he'll beat Rey in battle, even after training with Luke.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:09 pm to Jyrdis
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Because JJ Abrams ruins movies. Don't get me wrong, the movie may be decent, but he'll kill the original feel of franchise a la Star Trek.
Even the naysayers to the film said he got the feel right. That is the chief complaint with the people that didn't love it is that he got the feel too well that they think he just ripped off the original. JJ turned Star Trek into Star Wars though. I'm not a Trekie, so I don't have an issue with it, but it's a clear 180 from the original franchise there. Not the case with TFA.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:12 pm to alajones
I liked the movie, but Kylo made no sense...
Why does he wear a mask...for JJ and for fans and to look menacing?
Vader was like Jason when he would take off the mask...totally destroyed physically and supposedly disgusting to look at and Vader couldn't breathe without it. The Vader mask served a purpose...
Ren takes off his mask and you're like WTF? Who is this little dude who seems totally fine?
There's really nothing menacing about him. He's a kid.
I think they made him that young for the under 25 generation (the audience Hollywood caters to today and directs all their attention) - Ren could have been a lot older considering how old Han is...Ren could be 30plus and more at least and less dorky. Was he supposed to be in his 30's? I don't know, he looked like a teenager to me and he wasn't cool at all or someone you feared...he wasn't a man.
Why does he wear a mask...for JJ and for fans and to look menacing?
Vader was like Jason when he would take off the mask...totally destroyed physically and supposedly disgusting to look at and Vader couldn't breathe without it. The Vader mask served a purpose...
Ren takes off his mask and you're like WTF? Who is this little dude who seems totally fine?
There's really nothing menacing about him. He's a kid.
I think they made him that young for the under 25 generation (the audience Hollywood caters to today and directs all their attention) - Ren could have been a lot older considering how old Han is...Ren could be 30plus and more at least and less dorky. Was he supposed to be in his 30's? I don't know, he looked like a teenager to me and he wasn't cool at all or someone you feared...he wasn't a man.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:26 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Why does he wear a mask...for JJ and for fans and to look menacing?
To intimidate everyone around him. It's pretty simple.
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Ren takes off his mask and you're like WTF? Who is this little dude who seems totally fine?
There's really nothing menacing about him. He's a kid.
Which is why he wears the mask. He doesn't look intimidating without it, while he does with it. Plus it helps bring him closer to his idol/ancestor Darth Vader. It makes total sense why he wears a mask.
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I think they made him that young for the under 25 generation (the audience Hollywood caters to today and directs all their attention) - Ren could have been a lot older considering how old Han is...Ren could be 30plus and more at least and less dorky. Was he supposed to be in his 30's? I don't know, he looked like a teenager to me and he wasn't cool at all or someone you feared...he wasn't a man.
It's a consensus that he's 28 or 29. He couldn't have been any older than that, considering the movie takes place 30 years after the Battle of Endor. He is literally as old as he could have been. He couldn't have been in his mid-30s.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:30 pm to OMLandshark
As a Trekkie, I didn't like the revamp as a movie of continuity/discontinuity/start all over again, but as a stand alone it was decent. I was more interested in the revitalization of the franchise, which I feel he didn't do. The whole alternate "timeline" didn't work for me. I guess I was looking for something like what Craig did with Bond--still be Bond but give it an extra something.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 9:39 pm to Bench McElroy
I agree to an extent...but he did have to go conservative to start it off....
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:42 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:Holy shite. Do you people really think we don't get this? We know. We still think it's fricking stupid, and destroys the evil/menacing nature of fantasy movie villains in general.
I mean, that's kind of the point of his character. He is desperately trying to be just like Vader, but failing at that. Kind of a kid playing dress up. His struggle was trying to overcome the light to be dark. Setting him up to be a sympathetic character, but that's going to be tough to find redemption in the eyes of fans after murdering such a beloved character.
Didn't help that he's the goofiest looking motherfricker in the galaxy. No way Han and Leia produced that fuzzy little toad.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:49 am to blueboy
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Holy shite. Do you people really think we don't get this? We know. We still think it's fricking stupid, and destroys the evil/menacing nature of fantasy movie villains in general.
If YOU PEOPLE keep saying stupid shite, don't be upset when people assume you're stupid and explain to you why what you said was stupid.
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No way Han and Leia produced that fuzzy little toad
Well, Leia is known to associate with a known fuzzball. And is confirmed to have gotten undressed in a village full of fuzzy folks. Perhaps she went for a ride on the Walking Carpet or got her Yub Nub on.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 12:56 am
Posted on 1/31/16 at 1:25 am to Bench McElroy
He sure does sound like a bitter old man but he does have a point how they only used x-wings and tie fighters. Story-wise it makes sense to have those spaceships but JJ could have spiced it up a little bit
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:23 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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And more storm troopers, and more lightsabers, and more laser blasts, and more aliens, and more, more, more.
It's so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:38 am to buckeye_vol
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This is very telling, yet not unexpected. George Lucas seems to think that creativity is solely a function of different visual aspects (spaceships, planets, etc.) or a film. While they are aspects of creativity, this narrow view seems to be related to the major criticisms of the prequels (too much focus on visuals, diminish focus on storytelling and character development, visual emphasis made it hard on actors, etc.).
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:01 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Looking back, I think it's VERY CLEAR at this point that the world was saved by Lucas simply not having the SFX at his finger tips he eventually did while making the original series. While he and his team certainly pushed the boundaries of FX to make the first trilogy, they did so in a way that not only felt believable (no CGI with actors dealing with tennis balls on sticks or giants green screen warehouses instead of sets) but ended up creating what we all came to know WAS the Star Wars universe. When Lucas then went back to "fix" the old ones and then re-shoot the new ones with the new tech, he removed so much of what literally MADE the movies special. So much of them simply didn't look at all like, well...Star Wars.
Sure, there were issues with some things in TFA, but the truth of the matter is I never really cared, because the giant smile on my face from sitting there and being taken back to being 7 years old and sitting in the theater watching Star Wars made up for it completely. JJ, with all his faults, made a damn Star Wars movie, and none of the trilogies were...and that will always fall on the shoulders of one George Lucas for not really comprehending what he created or why fans found them special.
Well said. I've seen so many people respond to this with "oh you just want nostalgia." You just don't get it if your immediate defense is the nostalgia argument. It was never about nostalgia. It's about film being a visual medium, and Lucas created a very visually specific universe with the OT. The prequels looked so different that it doesn't even feel like the same universe. This is the same problem I had with the Hobbit. Part of being successful with a Star Wars movie is being able to bring us back to the Star Wars universe. TFA did that. Everything looked and felt as if this was a continuation of the story but still set in the same universe. It felt like Star Wars again. And the other part to that is the characters. We actually had characters with personality that didn't sound like mindless wooden drones form the prequel era.
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