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Generation War on Netflix - Exceptional

Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:19 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:19 am
I just finished watching Generation War and wow, I'm blown away.

Generation War is a German mini series, it's 3 episodes at 90 minutes an episode so basically like 3 movies.
It follows 5 German friends and their experiences during WWII as 2 join the military and fight on the Eastern front, 1 becomes a nurse, 1 is a Jew, and the other a civilian. The series is based on diaries of the people it follows apparently.

I don't want to give too much away, I would honestly put it right up there with Band of Brothers as far as realism, action, intensity, and showing all sides of war, the two brothers last name is even Winter!

Anyway, If you don't mind subtitles rush to go see it ASAP, I stayed up till 3AM last night because I had to finish the whole thing

I don't want to give away
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/13/16 at 9:50 am to
I almost watched it last night. I'll definitely watch it now.
Posted by HeadChange
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Member since May 2009
43833 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:00 am to
Yeah, I watched this like a year ago. Not only very well done from a production standpoint, but it's refreshing seeing something from the other side.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10890 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:27 am to
Yeah, I need to re-watch this.

Always interesting to see things from the German perspective, especially the reluctant "everyday" German. I'm reading Ken Follett's 20th century trilogy which includes a good dose of that... albeit from German nobility mostly.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:51 am to
Yea it's so easy to see all Germans as ba and evil during WWII. It's interesting to see their perspective and how they really had no choice and were following orders under threat of death
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13548 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:57 am to
It is my favorite film piece of any kind done on WWII, and that includes Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, The Pianist, Patton, Memphis Belle, U-571, Tora, Band of Brothers, etc.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:13 am to
I love alternative perspective pieces. One of my favorite books, Shattered Sword, is a Japanese account of Midway. It's fantastic and really shows a different side of the conflict.
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/13/16 at 12:47 pm to
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I love alternative perspective pieces. One of my favorite books, Shattered Sword, is a Japanese account of Midway. It's fantastic and really shows a different side of the conflict.


Shattered Sword really showed you how unprepared and unrealistic the Japanese were for a sustained war with the US.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 5:42 pm to
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Shattered Sword really showed you how unprepared and unrealistic the Japanese were for a sustained war with the US.



Agree and disagree.

Could Japan ever win a sustained encounter against the US? Absolutely not, as you saw in Shattered Sword. However, the book also showed just how incredibly close they came to truly crippling our Navy. Had that happened, could I imagine a world where conceid some territory like the Philippines? Maybe. If nothing else it could have taken us years to catchup.

If Japan had adhered to their core principles of combined attacks and all-out aggression, we could have been in deep shite. Their plan was solid they just failed two execute in two incredibly glaring areas:

1. The failed third strike on Pearl Harbor. It's been brought up a thousand times, but Yamamoto cursed until his dying day the decision not the send the third wave. This wave was designed to hit our sub stations and fuel depots. This was a critical failure.

WWII was a turning point for so many aspects of war, none other than Naval tactics. Pre-WWII, battleships and heavy guns were the true mark of a fleet. As WWII began, there was a division between the future balance of power. Japan failed to recognize the importance of strike forces and submarines' part in these units, and it cost them dearly.

There are (somewhat unsubstantiated) reports of Nimitz getting to Pearl Harbor to inspect the damage and saying to those close to him that it really wasn't that bad. He couldn't say this publicly, but he was a man who understand the changes in Naval warfare. He knew Halsey had our carriers at sea, and our subs were fine so the battleships were more ceremonial in nature.

2. Failure to delay their definitive battle at sea until they had the combined resources of the Kido Butai. Every Japanese text stressed the importance of combined engagements and numerical superiority and in one of their country's most pivotal moments they go to war with less than their full strength? This is to this day one of the most baffling things in military history IMO.

I can understand the thought process behind haunting the third wave. I'd like to think I would have gone for it, but they had lost the element of surprise. The US did have fighters in the air. It was atleast a defensible decision. Not delaying the encounter at Midway is the most absurd undiscussed move in military history.

The Japanese are very smart individuals. They scripted all these encounters. They scripted the Midway encounter and one of their captains flipped the script and engaged in a tactic very similar to what the US did. This lead to overwhelming losses in their simulation yet they still moved forward. There was no time specific reason to do so. It's one of the greatest mysteries in history. They simply bought hook line and sinker into their own superiority, and it bit them in the arse.

Lastly, one of the most interesting aspects of the book (IMO) was when they talked about vectoring their search patrol. I think this is such a hard concept for people nowadays to grasp as we're so used to GPS and being able to locate anything at a moment's notice. It's so hard to explain how vast an ocean conflict is. These battle units were so intimately linked to something as essentially random as hide and seek and who can find who first. Fighter squadrons would lose ships. They'd attack the same ship multiple times instead of spreading out the damage. It was such random madness that I think it's hard for us to appreciate that these days. Shattered Sword did a great job of depicting that.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:22 pm to
Watching now.
Posted by dwgsfrlife7673
Warner Robins
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:17 am to
Excellent gut-wrenching series
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98133 posts
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:35 am to
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It's interesting to see their perspective and how they really had no choice and were following orders under threat of death


Well...it depends. If you openly opposed the regime, or even were seen as insufficiently enthusiastic, bad things would happen to you. OTOH, if you participated in the Holocaust, you were basically doing it of your own free will. Members of the Einsatzgruppen who couldn't bring themselves to participate in the murders, through moral scruples or just because they didn't have the nerve to go through with it, were transferred to other duties with no repercussions.

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Trapp then made an extraordinary offer to his battalion: if any of the older men among them did not feel up to the task that lay before him, he could step out. Trapp paused, and after some moments, one man stepped forward. The captain of 3rd company, enraged that one of his men had broken ranks, began to berate the man. The major told the captain to hold his tongue. Then ten or twelve other men stepped forward as well. They turned in their rifles and were told to await a further assignment from the major.




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As the killing continued, several more soldiers asked to be relieved of their duties. Some officers reassigned anyone who asked, while others pressed their men to continue despite reservations. By midday, the men were being offered bottles of vodka to “refresh” them. As the day continued, a number of soldiers broke down. Yet the majority continued to the end. After the massacre ended, the battalion was transferred to the north part of the district and the various platoons were divided up, each stationed in a different town. All of the platoons took part in at least one more shooting action. Most found that these subsequent murders were easier to perform. Browning therefore sees that first massacre as an important dividing line


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Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
28885 posts
Posted on 7/16/16 at 1:22 pm to
Really excellent series. Finished it last night and one of those show I wish didn't have to end. Probably the best war movie or series I've seen.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2870 posts
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:04 pm to
Yep it's very good. Watched it a while back and it's well worth the time.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31157 posts
Posted on 7/16/16 at 8:48 pm to
It's awesome!!
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 7/17/16 at 10:52 am to
Great story no doubt but the battle scenes are cheesy.

Couple of military beefs: with the attrition, the fact LT Winter had fought in Poland and France and he was a good officer, by 43 he would have at least been a Major and probably a LTC.

The knowledge the line troops had about what was going on and the significance. They had none of that.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19100 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 11:00 pm to
It was well done from a production standpoint, but I didn't love it.

To me, it felt a bit maudlin.
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