re: Game of Thrones - S5:E5 - "Kill the Boy" - BOOK READERS

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How could he marry Lyanna if he was already married to Elia? THe only scenario I could see is that Elia is killed by Gregor, they hear about it at the Tower and marry before Jon is born. I don't know the sequence of events too well, but I'm not sure that's even possible.

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Aegon was married to both of his sisters before he conquered Westeros. So I'm not sure him being married to Elia negates him from also marrying Lyanna according to Targaryen traditions.

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How could he marry Lyanna if he was already married to Elia? THe only scenario I could see is that Elia is killed by Gregor, they hear about it at the Tower and marry before Jon is born. I don't know the sequence of events too well, but I'm not sure that's even possible.

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It's not possible. Robert killed Rhaegar at the Ruby Ford (at least that's the official story - crackpot theories abound, including that Rhaeger is, in fact, Mance Rayder), during the Battle of the Trident. Elia was killed during the Sack of King's Landing, some days or weeks after Rhaegar, and the Tower of Joy was after the Sack, as Ned went almost directly there afterwards.

So, there is no way Rhaegar was "widowed" by The Mountain, unless he survived the battle (and is probably still alive, then, rendering the succession of his son or younger sister moot, then, right?).

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Aegon was married to both of his sisters before he conquered Westeros

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So yucky.

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So I'm not sure him being married to Elia negates him from also marrying Lyanna according to Targaryen traditions.

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Maybe, but I choose to believe the witch and think Dany cannot have children, so it'd be a short dynasty, and there are no other Targs, except Faegon, who I actually think is legit, seeing as how Varys is loyal to him.

I think the show will end up being not just different than the books but radically so, to simplify things and to ensure that people still buy the remaining books. I expect WoW to be released in the next year, but the last one won't be coming soon after.

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Again, according to Targaryen tradition, Rhaegar didn't have to be widowed in order to marry Lyanna.

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I don't (ETA: necessarily) disagree with that - I was just answering a question about the timeline.

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So yucky.

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No arguments there.

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but I choose to believe the witch and think Dany cannot have children,

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See, I believe that her womb may currently be barren, but I believe that Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy "When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before." is foretelling of her womb being quickened again at some point in the future (whether by Melisandre or some other magic source).

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Faegon, who I actually think is legit, seeing as how Varys is loyal to him.

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I don't see him being legit. Why even bring up the Blackfyre history if it isn't going to play a part in the current timeline of the story?

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I think the show will end up being not just different than the books but radically so, to simplify things and to ensure that people still buy the remaining books.

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Again I disagree. D & D have already stated that GRRM has told them how the story ends, and I would hope like heck GRRM wouldn't change his story just because he's too fat and slow to finish the books. It is obvious that some of the paths to get to the endgame will be different, but I'm still in belief that the overall endgame will be the same.

Are people seriously holding out hope that this series gets finished by GRRM?

It will never happen. He may have a rough draft at the time he croaks, but fat man will never make it all the way through DoS.

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"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

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Disagree. She's listing things that will never happen. The sun is never going to set in the east and the seas are never going to run dry, etc. If anything, that was her way of telling Dany that she will never have children, in no uncertain terms. This problem being solved by "magic" would be a little ridiculous.

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Why even bring up the Blackfyre history if it isn't going to play a part in the current timeline of the story?

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Who says it won't?

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I'm still in belief that the overall endgame will be the same.

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I think the end will be the same, but the path to it will be very different. But, it might be a different ending, like alternate endings in movies.

The "GRRM will die before finishing the books" notion really has no factual, medical basis other than that he's a fat guy. He doesn't seem to be a big fan of the meme.

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When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east

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Quentyn Martell raised in the West, dies in the far east

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When the seas go dry

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The Dothraki sea is in drought and set a fire by Drogon

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mountains blow in the wind like leaves

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Pyramid of Hazkar collapsed into smoking ruin


Not saying I buy it. I think the old lady was just being a bitch, but there are goofier ASOIAF theories out there..

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I think that Dany starting her period at the end of Dance was telling us that she could have children again.

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Can you quote that? I must have missed it.

It definitely happened. It was like one of the last sentences in her last chapter.