- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: finally saw the Hobbit 3- question
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:45 am to PillageUrVillage
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:45 am to PillageUrVillage
Yeah he was over 200 when he died. And the elves considered that a blink of an eye. I've tried to work up enough muster to read the Simarillion on multiple occasions, but it's just so damn difficult to process. Anyone who says Song of Ice and Fire has too many names and locations obviously never read Rings and certainly not Silmarillion. When you read a 20 word sentence and 15 of the words are names and places, it's kind of hard to take in.
0
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:55 am to PillageUrVillage
quote:
While the character is not in the book, Legolas is the son of Thranduil. So you could assume that he was probably there, even if his name wasn't mentioned in the book.
I have thought about this before. I think it's kind of cool that he could have been there but left unmentioned
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:05 am to Thurber
quote:
I liked the first two but didn't like the childish and silly tones
The sad thing is, the book does the same thing. It's a kid's story, IMO.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:11 am to LSUfan20005
The first edition was published as a children's book. It was so successful that the publisher requested a sequel. While he was writing LOTR he made changes to the Hobbit to accommodate for his growing world. The changes were published in the second edition. The Silmarillion was supposed to be part of the LOTR story originally, but the publisher rejected it. Which is why he never actually finished The Silmarillion and his son did.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:32 am to dallastiger55
While The Hobbit movies were enjoyable, some of the changes and the way they were changed were unnecessary, mostly the involvement of Legolas.
Instead of taking away much of Thorin's focus and adding in Legolas' major part in the story just to have plots connect, I would have done things this way:
Have Thrandil basically give Legolas a death sentence if he goes after Tauriel that way to show Legolas' obedience and understanding of what it takes to be a ruler as well as show Thrandil's harsh hand when it comes to ruling.
I would still have Tauriel's involvement with Kili to bridge the relationship of elves and dwarfs because unlike what Jackson showed in the movies elves and dwarfs are not racist towards one another.
When Thrandil hears that Throin has taken back the mountain he sets off like he is supposed to but leaves command of Mirkwood to Legolas. As Legolas watches his father march off to war he catches a orc scout and interrogates him to learn of the legions of orcs that are massing at Gundabad. Legolas goes to investigate, and after seeing the legions march he hurries to the Lonely mountain to try and warn his father. His father does not listen and is angry with Legolas for leaving Mirkwood unattended.
The battle happens as usual with all that needs to happen to stop the orcs and Azog. When the battle is over Gandalf tells Thrandil that he is needed at Rivendell to discuss what happened at Dol Guldor. (Because on the return to The Shire they were suppose to stop by Rivendell for like a month.) Thrandil tells Legolas to return to Mirkwood to watch for any orcs that decide to stray into their kingdom.
At Rivendell Bildo walks by a door to overhear a bit of conversation about a ring, and runs off to not be caught up in another secret. But what is being discussed by Gandalf, Thrandil, Elrond, Saruman, and Galadriel is of course the events at Dol Guldor and the possibility of The Ring being out in the open due to the orcs attacking and shadow starting to seep back into the land. This is where Saruman says that he will look into the location of The Ring and the handling of Sauron. Gandalf is worried about the heir of Isildur and this is also where Thrandil decides that maybe it is time to let his son explore the world and suggest that Legolas should go on a mission to find "Strider" and protect him. After that finish the movie the way it did.
I feel if they could have done it this way or somewhat similar it would soften the over use of a character that is important but not to The Hobbit. Also it would have made the "go find Strider" make a lot more sense than just "he's a cool guy and you should totally meet him.
Instead of taking away much of Thorin's focus and adding in Legolas' major part in the story just to have plots connect, I would have done things this way:
Have Thrandil basically give Legolas a death sentence if he goes after Tauriel that way to show Legolas' obedience and understanding of what it takes to be a ruler as well as show Thrandil's harsh hand when it comes to ruling.
I would still have Tauriel's involvement with Kili to bridge the relationship of elves and dwarfs because unlike what Jackson showed in the movies elves and dwarfs are not racist towards one another.
When Thrandil hears that Throin has taken back the mountain he sets off like he is supposed to but leaves command of Mirkwood to Legolas. As Legolas watches his father march off to war he catches a orc scout and interrogates him to learn of the legions of orcs that are massing at Gundabad. Legolas goes to investigate, and after seeing the legions march he hurries to the Lonely mountain to try and warn his father. His father does not listen and is angry with Legolas for leaving Mirkwood unattended.
The battle happens as usual with all that needs to happen to stop the orcs and Azog. When the battle is over Gandalf tells Thrandil that he is needed at Rivendell to discuss what happened at Dol Guldor. (Because on the return to The Shire they were suppose to stop by Rivendell for like a month.) Thrandil tells Legolas to return to Mirkwood to watch for any orcs that decide to stray into their kingdom.
At Rivendell Bildo walks by a door to overhear a bit of conversation about a ring, and runs off to not be caught up in another secret. But what is being discussed by Gandalf, Thrandil, Elrond, Saruman, and Galadriel is of course the events at Dol Guldor and the possibility of The Ring being out in the open due to the orcs attacking and shadow starting to seep back into the land. This is where Saruman says that he will look into the location of The Ring and the handling of Sauron. Gandalf is worried about the heir of Isildur and this is also where Thrandil decides that maybe it is time to let his son explore the world and suggest that Legolas should go on a mission to find "Strider" and protect him. After that finish the movie the way it did.
I feel if they could have done it this way or somewhat similar it would soften the over use of a character that is important but not to The Hobbit. Also it would have made the "go find Strider" make a lot more sense than just "he's a cool guy and you should totally meet him.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:27 pm to thatguy1892
quote:
because unlike what Jackson showed in the movies elves and dwarfs are not racist towards one another.
They did have a sort of respect for each other. But there was a lack of trust going back almost to the creation of middle earth. The Elves didn't like the fact that the dwarves existed because they were supposed to be the only Children of Illuvatar. But that wasn't the big deal. What really pissed the elves off was when the dwarves stole one of the Silmarils. The dwarves crafted a piece of jewelry that the elves used to sit one of the Silmarils in. So the dwarves tried to claim ownership of it. I would say their relationship was awkward ever since.
quote:
At Rivendell Bildo walks by a door to overhear a bit of conversation about a ring, and runs off to not be caught up in another secret. But what is being discussed by Gandalf, Thrandil, Elrond, Saruman, and Galadriel is of course the events at Dol Guldor and the possibility of The Ring being out in the open due to the orcs attacking and shadow starting to seep back into the land. This is where Saruman says that he will look into the location of The Ring and the handling of Sauron. Gandalf is worried about the heir of Isildur and this is also where Thrandil decides that maybe it is time to let his son explore the world and suggest that Legolas should go on a mission to find "Strider" and protect him. After that finish the movie the way it did.
I agree that would've been pretty cool.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:53 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Question about LOTR: Return of the King...at the end, where is Frodo and his crew going? I always thought it was a version of what we call heaven or paradise.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:00 pm to Cole Beer
I forget the name but I think it was basically some kind of elf heaven.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:01 pm to Cole Beer
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:03 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Hmmm, it depends what you mean. The 5 wizards came to middle earth at the end of the second age. 3000-4000 is about what he is when you think of gandalf the wizard. But he is an immortal when you think that he is a maiar or angelic spirit.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:10 pm to Brosef Stalin
quote:
different concept of time than we do. Smeagol is over 500 years old, I think Gandalf is around 900 and Elrond is around 5000 years
Their years might be different, but the ones you listed have reasons for a very very long life.
Elrond is an immortal elf, Gandalf is essentially an angel in mortal form, and Smeagol was granted long life by possession of the ring.
Bilbo also had a notably long life, which was granted by his decades of possession of the ring.
Aragorn died around age 200, as is a normal lifespan for someone of his descent.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:10 pm to Brosef Stalin
It has been many years since I read LOTR and The Hobbit. Admittedly, the movies have kind of skewed some of my memories since it is close to the book but not exact in every way. The way I remember it there has been a lot of creative license taken with The Hobbit.
That being said, correct me if I am wrong, I always thought elves were immortal. They were making the trip across the seas away from Middle Earth because the Era of Man had arrived. Also, elves and dwarves weren't racist with each other, distrusting is a better way to put it. There was even distrust between the kingdoms of man and between man and elves. Finally, Aragorn was from a race of man that lived a long, long time. Longer than the race of man from Rohan.
That being said, correct me if I am wrong, I always thought elves were immortal. They were making the trip across the seas away from Middle Earth because the Era of Man had arrived. Also, elves and dwarves weren't racist with each other, distrusting is a better way to put it. There was even distrust between the kingdoms of man and between man and elves. Finally, Aragorn was from a race of man that lived a long, long time. Longer than the race of man from Rohan.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:15 pm to Cole Beer
quote:
Question about LOTR: Return of the King...at the end, where is Frodo and his crew going? I always thought it was a version of what we call heaven or paradise.
Valinor, or the Undying Lands, which used to be accessible by walking there from Middle Earth. It is where the Vala and Maia reside, which are basically greater and lesser angels that answer to Illuvitar, or god. Illuvitar had the Vala and Maia sing to create the earth and many of the Vala and Maia chose to live on their creation. Most were good but a few were bad, led by Morgoth, a Vala, whose first lieutenant was Sauron, a Maia.
Morgoth was much more bad-arse than Sauron and it took a force of elves from Valinor and Middle Earth, the great men of Beleriand (of which now the few hundred Dunedain remain, including Aragorn, which is why he has such a long lifespan), and Vala and Maia to defeat him. Morgoth created the Balrog fought in the Fellowship of the Ring by corrupting a Maia. He created a bunch of those Balrogs actually. He created the orcs by capturing some of the first elves and corrupting/torturing them. He also bred with Ungoliant to create the first generation of those giant evil spiders - Shelob (from Return of the King) is the last of spider of Middle Earth born directly to Ungoliant.
This is all in the Silmarillion and it really is a fascinating book. I zipped right through it both times I read it and will probably read it again soon.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:17 pm to LeonPhelps
Completely off topic. I have no idea why, but all of this makes me want to read the Inheritance series (Eragon) really bad right now.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:29 pm to SoDakHawk
quote:
That being said, correct me if I am wrong, I always thought elves were immortal. They were making the trip across the seas away from Middle Earth because the Era of Man had arrived.
They are immortal. The Ainur loved the Children of Illuvatar (elves) so much that they invited them to live with them in Valinor. Some went immediately, some stayed in Middle Earth and went later. The era of men was a sign for them to all return to their rightful place in the Undying Lands.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:33 pm to TigerFanatic99
I read the first 3 but lost interest too much to read the 4th when it came out. It was standard fantasy fare and passable but not great. It was not high fantasy like Tolkien writes.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:35 pm to PillageUrVillage
Even when they died, which obviously could only be through violent means, their souls just went to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. No one could say what happened to men's souls when they died, but the fact that they could die was considered the gift of men.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:55 pm to LeonPhelps
I just remember reading something about men being "released from the bounds of Arda" when they die. I don't even think Valar know where they go.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:16 pm to TigerFanatic99
quote:
Completely off topic. I have no idea why, but all of this makes me want to read the Inheritance series (Eragon) really bad right now.
Why? I read that when I was in middle/high school. I don't know if I ever finished it. I remember the first one being awesome, the second one pissing me off, and the third boring me to tears to the point that I'm not sure if I ever finished it.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:16 pm to dallastiger55
Strider was 87 in the 1st trilogy
they were known for long life
they were known for long life
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News