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re: Critically Acclaimed Movies That You Hate
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:23 am to LSU lilly
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:23 am to LSU lilly
Hate's a strong word. I think the films of the Andersons (PT and Wes) are grossly overrated, but I don't hate them. I just think they are incredibly overrated.
But I hate Gone with the Wind. I mean, I detest it with almost every fiber of my being. It is overwrought and overproduced, but it's also responsible for more bad history than any other movie. It's a vile, racist film that props up the slaveholding culture as something noble, and also who's heroes are clearly members of the KKK. It offends me to my core, especially how people try and justify it as a beautiful love story or some such nonsense.
That's the hook to get you to swallow the central tenant of the film: that this wonderful culture is "gone with the wind". Screw that. It's in the trash heap of history. It would be like if the Sound of Music glorified the Nazis.
I loathe this movie. Loathe it.
But I hate Gone with the Wind. I mean, I detest it with almost every fiber of my being. It is overwrought and overproduced, but it's also responsible for more bad history than any other movie. It's a vile, racist film that props up the slaveholding culture as something noble, and also who's heroes are clearly members of the KKK. It offends me to my core, especially how people try and justify it as a beautiful love story or some such nonsense.
That's the hook to get you to swallow the central tenant of the film: that this wonderful culture is "gone with the wind". Screw that. It's in the trash heap of history. It would be like if the Sound of Music glorified the Nazis.
I loathe this movie. Loathe it.
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Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:28 am to Baloo
Yea if you're gonna be racist and celebrate Confederate slave owning culture, at least do it right like Birth of a Nation. It's ok to celebrate that movie because it gave us the tracking shot.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:47 am to ColaTiger
In Birth of a Nation's defense, pretty much everyone agrees it is a horrifyingly racist film. Just watch it for the technical innovations. Or don't and just enjoy tracking shots and movies that last more than one reel.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:52 am to Zamoro10
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Children of Men - sci-fi/futuristic version of Crash. Pandering, transparent and dumb.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:38 am to DanglingFury
The Lord of the Rings movies
The Deer Hunter (I just get kind of bored during acts I and III)
The Deer Hunter (I just get kind of bored during acts I and III)
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:49 am to Kayhill Brown
Where to start...
Sound of Music, I was cheering for the Nazis to shut them up.
English Patient, stilted boring people, boring dialogue, waaaay too long.
Any of the first (black, woman or fill in the oppressed minority) to (play the flute, basketball, fly, eat an oyster, (fill in the great accomplishment)movies.
GWTW, as an earlier poster said it glorifies the most regrettable part of world history.
Crash...it should have...
The Artist, c'mon really? Best Picture?
Oh yeah, any movie with the words 'wedding', 'dating' or 'marriage' in the title.
Sound of Music, I was cheering for the Nazis to shut them up.
English Patient, stilted boring people, boring dialogue, waaaay too long.
Any of the first (black, woman or fill in the oppressed minority) to (play the flute, basketball, fly, eat an oyster, (fill in the great accomplishment)movies.
GWTW, as an earlier poster said it glorifies the most regrettable part of world history.
Crash...it should have...
The Artist, c'mon really? Best Picture?
Oh yeah, any movie with the words 'wedding', 'dating' or 'marriage' in the title.
This post was edited on 4/12/13 at 11:53 am
Posted on 4/12/13 at 12:03 pm to andouille
quote:Watched it this week for the first time. I loved it.
English Patient
Posted on 4/12/13 at 12:44 pm to Blue Velvet
There Will Be Blood
Taxi Driver
Eastern Promises
The Pianist
Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Casino
Planet of the Apes
No Country for Old Men
Taxi Driver
Eastern Promises
The Pianist
Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Casino
Planet of the Apes
No Country for Old Men
Posted on 4/12/13 at 12:47 pm to andouille
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GWTW, as an earlier poster said it glorifies the most regrettable part of world history.
GWTW glorifies the Protestant Revolution/French Revolution/Sack of Constantinople by the Turks?
Posted on 4/12/13 at 1:20 pm to Freauxzen
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Refreshing honesty. May I ask why?
I think that older movies too often get put on a pedestal and essentially given a pass when you start to compare and rank all time movies. For a lot of reviewers, the thought that 21st century movies can rival something done in the 50s-60s isn't even up for discussion. I get that technology and movies in general were still in the infant stage up til about 10 years ago but that doesn't mean these early movies cannot be critiqued and graded for what they were (which IMO just isn't very good in a lot of cases).
It is the "new is bad, old is good" mentality that you see everywhere, Lebron could never be as good as MJ, etc etc. At some point we as a society need to just accept that what we are doing now in the movie industry and really in general is just so far more advanced and better than what we were doing 50 years ago.
And of course this will bring in the "old is better" crew to defend their movies
Posted on 4/12/13 at 2:02 pm to hiltacular
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need to just accept that what we are doing now in the movie industry and really in general is just so far more advanced and better than what we were doing 50 years ago.
Yes and no.
Honestly, the Cinematography in Kurosawa films such as Seven Samurai and Throne of Blood is some of the greatest in history, and very few films, even today, can achieve that level.
However, the films of today are allowed to do more to move the story forward, with technology what it is. Where this comes to be a handicap is when the directors and writers of today rely on that technology too much so as to not have to focus on the story. See Avatar.
Django Unchained should have been a great film, instead of a good film with some great scenes. But the story was not fleshed out enough. Tarantino focused more on the dialogue than the plot.
ETA: which brings about the other problem with today's best: defining Pop Culture. Too many directors try to do this.
This post was edited on 4/12/13 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/12/13 at 2:07 pm to hiltacular
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I think that older movies too often get put on a pedestal and essentially given a pass when you start to compare and rank all time movies. For a lot of reviewers, the thought that 21st century movies can rival something done in the 50s-60s isn't even up for discussion.
Just look at the Godfather folk frothing....
And yeah, people who don't have a consistent way to judge film can make some grievous errors in doing that so they might fall on the crutch of "older is better," for lack a better reason (for instance, not one person really got the fact that I disliked Godfather, I never said it was a bad film). They both get emotional and irrational in analysis.
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For a lot of reviewers, the thought that 21st century movies can rival something done in the 50s-60s isn't even up for discussion.
And anyone in this mindset is probably someone you don't want to listen to anyway.
At the same time a movie is a product of its time, keep that in mind.
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I get that technology and movies in general were still in the infant stage up til about 10 years ago but that doesn't mean these early movies cannot be critiqued and graded for what they were (which IMO just isn't very good in a lot of cases).
On the other hand, you have to remove your modern glasses, and look at a movie for its time. Sure, compared to Inception the Wizard of Oz looks completely outdated and visually weak. No one can really argue that, but we can't look at Oz with and directly compare it to films past its time. That's unfair too.
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(which IMO just isn't very good in a lot of cases).
What would be a critically acclaimed "not very good film?"
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It is the "new is bad, old is good" mentality that you see everywhere, Lebron could never be as good as MJ, etc etc. At some point we as a society need to just accept that what we are doing now in the movie industry and really in general is just so far more advanced and better than what we were doing 50 years ago.
And of course this will bring in the "old is better" crew to defend their movies
You are doing yourself a disservice because you sound just like them. So newer is better no matter what?
TECHNOLOGICALLY and only technnologically, you may have an argument.
But in terms of acting, narrative, editing, and the plethora of other pieces of film, it's extremely hard to argue that certainty. Either because analysis is completely subjective, or because it just isn't true. Brando can act circles around any current actor. Even Daniel Day-Lewis.
There are few scenes like the opening to Touch of Evil. In fact, our editing has become shorter, not longer, due to technology, and truly innovative long takes are mostly a thing of the past.
Older isn't better, it just operates on a generally different wavelength that plays to its own heritage. (as does any moment in art)
This post was edited on 4/12/13 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/12/13 at 2:10 pm to Pretty Hate Machine
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Didn't like any Will Farrell movies
Don't like Taken
Don't like 28 Days Later
Don't like any Austin Powers movies
Don't like Wedding Crashers or The 40-year Old Virgin
Seriously?
Posted on 4/12/13 at 2:26 pm to LE610N
Gone With The Wind
Titanic
The Godfather(all of them)
Titanic
The Godfather(all of them)
Posted on 4/12/13 at 2:31 pm to Tom288
Are you the same Tom that used to post on the poli board and have a bertrand russell avi?
Posted on 4/12/13 at 3:06 pm to Freauxzen
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You are doing yourself a disservice because you sound just like them. So newer is better no matter what?
I recognized the hypocrisy as I was writing that bc I do come off as "newer is better" but that wasn't my intention. quote:
TECHNOLOGICALLY and only technnologically, you may have an argument.
But in terms of acting, narrative, editing, and the plethora of other pieces of film, it's extremely hard to argue that certainty. Either because analysis is completely subjective, or because it just isn't true. Brando can act circles around any current actor. Even Daniel Day-Lewis.
I just find it very telling that almost every "top movie" list is filled with older movies. What stands out in these older movies that you aren't seeing today?
Posted on 4/12/13 at 3:10 pm to Blue Velvet
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Are you the same Tom that used to post on the poli board and have a bertrand russell avi?
Yeah
Posted on 4/12/13 at 3:21 pm to LE610N
not hate but finally watched Traffic the other day and was very dissapointed
also never got the love for fargo
and dark knight and avatar are good but people acting like theyre the best movies of all time is ridiculous
also never got the love for fargo
and dark knight and avatar are good but people acting like theyre the best movies of all time is ridiculous
Posted on 4/12/13 at 3:21 pm to Tom288
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