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Posted on 6/19/13 at 4:20 pm to yurintroubl
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I've been loving it. I think it's about to all come together with some MAJOR revelations.
Do we know how many eps are left this season? shite kinda got real in a couple of instances this past episode (one thing for sure)...so yeah, you can see there are some big things brewing!
Posted on 6/20/13 at 1:56 am to gjackx
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Do we know how many eps are left this season? shite kinda got real in a couple of instances this past episode (one thing for sure)...so yeah, you can see there are some big things brewing!
13 episodes total this season, so we get 5 more. I just noticed that there is no new episode this week too, lame.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 9:17 am to auyushu
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13 episodes total this season, so we get 5 more. I just noticed that there is no new episode this week too, lame.
Dammit, must be the Canadian royal wedding on Sunday or something
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:16 pm to gjackx
Wow...I really don't know what to think now
Whatever theory(ies) I may have had just went right out the damn window. Now, I really have no clue what future Alec is trying to accomplish. "One to kill me , one to save me" ???? What the hell?
And as if Escher & freelancers weren't confusing enough, now we have to deal with the fact they all have knuckle dots?
I wish we could get just a few motives so the viewers can at least draw some lines and clear up who is who, and who is on what side or agenda
Whatever theory(ies) I may have had just went right out the damn window. Now, I really have no clue what future Alec is trying to accomplish. "One to kill me , one to save me" ???? What the hell?
And as if Escher & freelancers weren't confusing enough, now we have to deal with the fact they all have knuckle dots?
I wish we could get just a few motives so the viewers can at least draw some lines and clear up who is who, and who is on what side or agenda
Posted on 7/10/13 at 6:44 pm to Uncle Stu
Fuuuuuuck....I think this was a good episode.
Sweet flashforward, and they are starting to flesh out the Alec/Theseus dynamic, plus opening up the slight possibility that they can change their fate.
BUT.....is anyone else having a hell of time keeping everything straight? Now black nerd guy is running his own outfit along with Kogame's ghost? WTF?? And how can they completely dismiss Gardner? You CANNOT gloss that over. And whomever played pin-the-beard-on-julian should be fired from the set.
My anticipation for the season finale is more so I can marathon view it all over again simply to try and put all the timeline pieces together.
Sweet flashforward, and they are starting to flesh out the Alec/Theseus dynamic, plus opening up the slight possibility that they can change their fate.
BUT.....is anyone else having a hell of time keeping everything straight? Now black nerd guy is running his own outfit along with Kogame's ghost? WTF?? And how can they completely dismiss Gardner? You CANNOT gloss that over. And whomever played pin-the-beard-on-julian should be fired from the set.
My anticipation for the season finale is more so I can marathon view it all over again simply to try and put all the timeline pieces together.
Posted on 7/17/13 at 9:49 pm to Uncle Stu
Love being the only one left in a thread......
Ep 10:
I feel like this is the TV version of a Russian nesting doll. I've completely stopped even trying to follow this show, there are just too many balls in the air. Which kinda sucks, as I was enjoying putting all the pieces together......but now.....pffft.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say Lindelof got a hold of this show..... open up 40 doors, close none of them.
Ep 10:
I feel like this is the TV version of a Russian nesting doll. I've completely stopped even trying to follow this show, there are just too many balls in the air. Which kinda sucks, as I was enjoying putting all the pieces together......but now.....pffft.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say Lindelof got a hold of this show..... open up 40 doors, close none of them.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 8:33 am to Uncle Stu
My own personal thread, sweet
Ep11:
Not bad, I think it's finally starting to tie up some annoying loose ends. Although I'm not sure what we learned with this weeks flash-forward. You make point to state the CMR's memory is longer than told, and then you do nothing for the rest of the episode pertaining to that...OK?
Escher continues to confuse me as his motives constantly swing back and forth, and I do think Kellog makes him nervous. I'm not certain if that final scene confirms if girlfriend handed over ARC to him or not. It's not inconceivable that he had that hack already, plus she seems pretty conflicted on whose side she's on. Maybe she's just holding it? Or possible Kellog already flipped her over to his side?
Just for sanity's sake, I'm glad Liberate is back in one central place just so I don't have to keep track of it 3x. And, equally as glad to see crazy is locked up as that's just one more storyline I don't have to follow closely, it was getting to be too much. But they did just gloss over the fact that Curtis' CMR is activated again, and they never tried to locate him again...did you forget what the frick you were trying to do last week altogether?
And now that the magic time orange is back together, it feels like writers have finally gotten back on track. I wonder if there's another hidden message for Alec in there. But before they end the season, they need to bring some clarity to Escher, freelancers, and something is up with the chief. I keep waiting for Keira to make some connection between her history and him. Something similar to "Julian is Theseus"
Can't wait to reply to my post next week!
Ep11:
Not bad, I think it's finally starting to tie up some annoying loose ends. Although I'm not sure what we learned with this weeks flash-forward. You make point to state the CMR's memory is longer than told, and then you do nothing for the rest of the episode pertaining to that...OK?
Escher continues to confuse me as his motives constantly swing back and forth, and I do think Kellog makes him nervous. I'm not certain if that final scene confirms if girlfriend handed over ARC to him or not. It's not inconceivable that he had that hack already, plus she seems pretty conflicted on whose side she's on. Maybe she's just holding it? Or possible Kellog already flipped her over to his side?
Just for sanity's sake, I'm glad Liberate is back in one central place just so I don't have to keep track of it 3x. And, equally as glad to see crazy is locked up as that's just one more storyline I don't have to follow closely, it was getting to be too much. But they did just gloss over the fact that Curtis' CMR is activated again, and they never tried to locate him again...did you forget what the frick you were trying to do last week altogether?
And now that the magic time orange is back together, it feels like writers have finally gotten back on track. I wonder if there's another hidden message for Alec in there. But before they end the season, they need to bring some clarity to Escher, freelancers, and something is up with the chief. I keep waiting for Keira to make some connection between her history and him. Something similar to "Julian is Theseus"
Can't wait to reply to my post next week!
Posted on 8/9/13 at 7:30 pm to Uncle Stu
OK....so I am dumbfounded....way, way too much back stabbing and double agents
So Escher begat Alec begat Jason. I'm only about 70% convinced this is actually the case. Future Alec is even more and more confusing with each word that comes out of his mouth. His statements contradict each other, and his actions find a way to even contradict his statements.
I'm surprised they killed off Emily, I thought for sure Carlos was getting the axe. However once Alec jumped into the magic time orange to save her, I can see where the door leads for season 3. I'm glad Travis is dead (hopefully) as the writers never once really fleshed out his motivations and his character just became more and more 'in the way'
Kellog comes in a close second to Alec with 'what the frick is your deal?' Stay. Go back. Your team. Their team. Switch sides. Just fricking die already, and how unbelievably shitty is your high tech security system? I swear the cleaning lady's kids probably have a key to the lab.
Alright, so the Freelancers are just zealot time cops with a moral compass? How is imprisonment going to fix the timeline?
Why would Carlos and Betty the Mole go to Theseus? It seems so completely improbable. That whole decision from quitting the force to landing there is way too much of a jump without some dialogue. Finally, the Asian time warrior is a mystery. How does he go from bad arse time criminal to a ghost to Freelancer?
I was hoping a marathon rewatch would help, but I'm not so sure anymore
So Escher begat Alec begat Jason. I'm only about 70% convinced this is actually the case. Future Alec is even more and more confusing with each word that comes out of his mouth. His statements contradict each other, and his actions find a way to even contradict his statements.
I'm surprised they killed off Emily, I thought for sure Carlos was getting the axe. However once Alec jumped into the magic time orange to save her, I can see where the door leads for season 3. I'm glad Travis is dead (hopefully) as the writers never once really fleshed out his motivations and his character just became more and more 'in the way'
Kellog comes in a close second to Alec with 'what the frick is your deal?' Stay. Go back. Your team. Their team. Switch sides. Just fricking die already, and how unbelievably shitty is your high tech security system? I swear the cleaning lady's kids probably have a key to the lab.
Alright, so the Freelancers are just zealot time cops with a moral compass? How is imprisonment going to fix the timeline?
Why would Carlos and Betty the Mole go to Theseus? It seems so completely improbable. That whole decision from quitting the force to landing there is way too much of a jump without some dialogue. Finally, the Asian time warrior is a mystery. How does he go from bad arse time criminal to a ghost to Freelancer?
I was hoping a marathon rewatch would help, but I'm not so sure anymore
Posted on 8/10/13 at 12:16 am to Uncle Stu
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So Escher begat Alec begat Jason. I'm only about 70% convinced this is actually the case. Future Alec is even more and more confusing with each word that comes out of his mouth. His statements contradict each other, and his actions find a way to even contradict his statements.
Yeah, Jason is pretty clearly his son, who knows on Escher. I'd like travis gone too, but looked like he was alive at the end there, though it's pretty retarded if he is alive.
Kellog's motivation makes sense really. He would like to stay i the past and be rich, but he values his own skin more.
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Alright, so the Freelancers are just zealot time cops with a moral compass? How is imprisonment going to fix the timeline?
Why would Carlos and Betty the Mole go to Theseus? It seems so completely improbable. That whole decision from quitting the force to landing there is way too much of a jump without some dialogue. Finally, the Asian time warrior is a mystery. How does he go from bad arse time criminal to a ghost to Freelancer?
Yeah, the imprisonment thing makes no damn sense, killing them altogether would fix any problems for good. But they need a way to keep the story going I guess.
The Carlos thing makes sense to me, they've been setting up the police force as the bad guys all season long, going to the opposite side of the fence makes some logical sense.
Be interesting to see how they flesh out the freelancers and wtf happened with the asian guy.
Anyway, I thought was another damn good season, definitely has kept me interested.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:22 am to auyushu
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but looked like he was alive at the end there,
Where? Was he in one of the cages? I missed that. But then again, they also snatched up corpses, so maybe that's it.
quote:I understand what drove his actions in the beginning. But I liked his character even more as an unwilling participant in Alec's master plan. Kellog wasn't big into Liber8, his sister was. But it seems all too likely Alec identified his seedy nature and desire to be rich as the perfect patsy to get caught up with Kogame. Alec pulled the strings, arranged to have Kellog sent back because he knew Kellog would be the perfect type of person the persuade his younger self to team up, and jump start Sadtech.
Kellog's motivation makes sense really. He would like to stay i the past and be rich, but he values his own skin more.
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Carlos thing makes sense to me, they've been setting up the police force as the bad guys all season long, going to the opposite side of the fence makes some logical sense.
I disagree. Carlos moral compass is as steady as it comes. He may now disagree with the genesis of CPS, but that doesn't mean he's instantly on the other side. He's too ethical to join up with a terrorist organization. It was too far of a pendulum swing.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 2:41 pm to Uncle Stu
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Where? Was he in one of the cages? I missed that. But then again, they also snatched up corpses, so maybe that's it.
Yeah, he was in a tank with some sort of breathing mask and liquid around him.
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But it seems all too likely Alec identified his seedy nature and desire to be rich as the perfect patsy to get caught up with Kogame. Alec pulled the strings, arranged to have Kellog sent back because he knew Kellog would be the perfect type of person the persuade his younger self to team up, and jump start Sadtech.
This was my take as well.
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I disagree. Carlos moral compass is as steady as it comes. He may now disagree with the genesis of CPS, but that doesn't mean he's instantly on the other side. He's too ethical to join up with a terrorist organization. It was too far of a pendulum swing.
I saw it more as a desperation thing. He was just completely lost. He knew he was a wanted man after punching his boss and freeing Keira. Not many options for him. And he has had many civil conversations with Alec's brother, and was pretty much defending him against Keira all season long. He's not been portrayed as 100% against Theseus this season, even though he has a strong moral compass. He knows the mayor is completely corrupt, and now he knows the police are too, so it's not out of the question to see him go to the other side. Particularly when he is hanging out with someone who already has in Betty.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:44 pm to auyushu
Over the course of doing some selective rewatching, I started to clip out all the future flashes. Then I just got carried away. I've somehow managed to get in touch with my inner-nerd, and now have an edited 1.15 hour long segment in which I tied together every future scene and put them in chronological order.....starting with New Pemberton and ending with the execution chamber. There's something wrong with me.
While I still can't figure out how much Alec & Julian collaborated on everything, it's apparent that he played Julian to some degree to further his mission to send key members of Liber8 back. And I know he wants desperately to change the course of history, and I believe from rewatching is that he feels personally responsible and guilty for so much of the innocent deaths. How/why its bad that so many dies but Kogame going Tim McVeigh on that building is OK, makes no sense to me.
Anyway, if anyone knows how to upload a half gig video file to share, let me know, I'd be happy to let anyone watch this if they want.
While I still can't figure out how much Alec & Julian collaborated on everything, it's apparent that he played Julian to some degree to further his mission to send key members of Liber8 back. And I know he wants desperately to change the course of history, and I believe from rewatching is that he feels personally responsible and guilty for so much of the innocent deaths. How/why its bad that so many dies but Kogame going Tim McVeigh on that building is OK, makes no sense to me.
Anyway, if anyone knows how to upload a half gig video file to share, let me know, I'd be happy to let anyone watch this if they want.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:33 pm to Uncle Stu
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There's something wrong with me.
Well, yeah, but you did do a good job of keeping this thread going. I just watched the season 2 finale and need time to process everything.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 7:36 pm to PsychTiger
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I just watched the season 2 finale and need time to process everything.
well then let me know what you figure out, if anything
Posted on 10/9/13 at 8:31 am to Uncle Stu
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He's too ethical to join up with a terrorist organization.
Theseus isn't necessarily a "terrorist" if you are working for a police force that is 100% rogue..
I think he saw that the Police had become corrupt and that he had nowhere to turn, but to the very organization that was fighting against the people he had just turned his back on.
HERE ENDS Discussions.. now for theories:
So, I just finished season 2...
The Freelancers are from the future, farther future than 2077... what means Mr. Escher is from the future, he was a "Freelancer," - now this is where it gets slightly shaky.
In 2013, Mr. Escher creates Piron.. in the future, Piron is one of the companies who is a part of the 20 CEOs in the corporate congress. This is also the company that was "hording" food in the future in one of our flash forwards.
If you remember in Kiera's flash forward, her last memory of her son is complaining about the "slop" that they are going to have to eat.. this scene has been shown many times before, and I believe is extremely important to the whole thing.
Food and Drink is becoming sparse in the future - Kiera disappears.. nothing ever changes, Sadtech is ultimately taken over by someone other than Alec, they create super-soldiers who can travel through time.. the first person they recruit?
Kiera Cameron's son of course...
Kiera Cameron -> Mr. Esher -> Alec -> Jason
Mr. Esher is creating Piron in the present, in order to fix the food problems of the future.. in hopes that the food problems will never happen.
Alec of the future also sent back liber8 to stop a dark future as well.. the ultimate bad guys of this show -> the Freelancers, who are only watching out for their own self interest, in order to make sure the dark future (after future Alec is finally gone) ends up truly happening.. it's why they interfered in 2077 AND 2013.. Alec MUST become the person that creates SadTech, else the freelancers never exist in the first place.
Also - I think Alec got his tech for traveling in time, from the Freelancers - very terminators stuff.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 9:01 am to BaddestAndvari
Well thanks for ruining the series 
I like that roadmap though.
I like that roadmap though.Posted on 10/9/13 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
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Well thanks for ruining the series
they call me OJ
Posted on 10/9/13 at 11:11 am to BaddestAndvari
Where is yuri, gjackx, and fear?
Posted on 10/9/13 at 11:25 am to BaddestAndvari
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Where is yuri, gjackx, and fear?
PRESENT!
The Freelancers =
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