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Can a Superman movie(s) do what Nolan's Batmans have?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 3:45 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 3:45 am
I love Superman more than any other superhero and really truly want a movie befitting of the character's status.
Superman Returns was not that movie. Not even fricking close actually. It pisses me off to even look back at that movie.
But what would need to happen for a Superman movie to capture America's attention again in the way Nolan's Batman movies have done?
Does it need to have his death/rebirth story? Does it need to at least have Doomsday in it? Does his character have to go through some dark period?
Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
Superman Returns was not that movie. Not even fricking close actually. It pisses me off to even look back at that movie.
But what would need to happen for a Superman movie to capture America's attention again in the way Nolan's Batman movies have done?
Does it need to have his death/rebirth story? Does it need to at least have Doomsday in it? Does his character have to go through some dark period?
Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 3:48 am to LfcSU3520
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Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
To be honest, this is always what has kept me from becoming to attached to Superman. You put it into words very well.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 5:21 am to LfcSU3520
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Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
This pretty much, near invincible superheroes with one type of weakness just aren't that compelling. That's the reason superheroes who have to get down and dirty like Batman and Wolverine are more popular.
The Doomsday or maybe some sort of Brainiac storyline would probably be the best bet for a good solid film, but even then I don't think it would touch the Batman films.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 5:46 am to LfcSU3520
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Can a Superman movie(s) do what Nolan's Batmans have?
Well Nolan is overseeing the development of the next Superman movie.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:00 am to LfcSU3520
quote:I THINK so, mainly because Nolan is attached to the Superman project.
Can a Superman movie(s) do what Nolan's Batmans have?
Also, I think it helps to have a great cast. Superman Returns had a pretty crappy cast(for a comic book movie)
I think for Superman to be great, they at least need to have someone say, "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" at least once
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:08 am to LfcSU3520
I think you got to do with Superman what you did with Batman: question what is actually good. I'd honestly have Luthor heavily involved in it who has very unethical means of creating a greater good (ie: no real estate plot), but he may be the hero the world needs. Superman however is the one the world deserves.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:10 am to Pilot Tiger
I think it going come out in summer 2013
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 6:14 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:14 am to auyushu
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The Doomsday or maybe some sort of Brainiac storyline would probably be the best bet for a good solid film, but even then I don't think it would touch the Batman films.
Brainiac: Yes; Doomsday: No. He's merely a mindless killing machine and isn't interesting. Personally I think a big problem with Superman is his Rouge Gallery. All his most powerful and threatening foes are too far from home, like Brainiac and Darkseid. Superman needs a villain on Darkseid's level of power and threat that's right on Earth. Something like a Sebastian Shaw-like villain would be good.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:20 am to auyushu
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Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
This pretty much, near invincible superheroes with one type of weakness just aren't that compelling. That's the reason superheroes who have to get down and dirty like Batman and Wolverine are more popular.
The Doomsday or maybe some sort of Brainiac storyline would probably be the best bet for a good solid film, but even then I don't think it would touch the Batman films.
I posted a Drunk Comic Book story in a thread a while back that talked about this subject. The comic book producers had to find a way for Superman to be appealing, and it was to make him able to be hurt and even die. But then they effed death up.
Here's the link to the vid:
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:29 am to LfcSU3520
Hard to compare anything to Batman simply because of the fact that Batman is human.
Every other Superhero is warped with some alien/divine/mutated power that makes him/her different. Batman is just Bruce Wayne who has trained and equipped himself with the right tools, weapons etc to fight crime. He is doing it because of what happened to his parents, not because he has a "gift"
That and Nolan is a G... Hard to top that.
Every other Superhero is warped with some alien/divine/mutated power that makes him/her different. Batman is just Bruce Wayne who has trained and equipped himself with the right tools, weapons etc to fight crime. He is doing it because of what happened to his parents, not because he has a "gift"
That and Nolan is a G... Hard to top that.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:37 am to LfcSU3520
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Or is his seeming invincibility just too much to ever really create a storyline that people can buy into?
I think this is the most glaring issue. How do you care about someone who seemingly can't die? Not to mention, because of this power, him or the city never have a real threat with the villains they typically use.
Batman works because he's so dark, and as others have mentioned, human. Batman has inner demons to work through. Superman never really has those things. Maybe if he had a decent writer it would work, but I think it's a stretch.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:39 am to LfcSU3520
You would have to go back to the original Superman concept:
Then on top of this you would need a great story, otherwise you might end up with John Carter.
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"When maturity was reached, he discovered he could easily: Leap 1/8th of a mile [201 meters]; hurdle a twenty-story building...raise tremendous weights...run faster than a express train... and that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin!"
Then on top of this you would need a great story, otherwise you might end up with John Carter.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:11 am to HT713
If they let the original script Kevin Smith wrote be used I think it would have been, but execs said it was way too dark and wouldn't back it so they scrapped it and got rid of him. It wasn't until Nolan came out with his 1st Batman, that it changed the whole comic book movie genre for the better, Smith's Superman would have though, but was scrapped
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:13 am to LfcSU3520
No
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:16 am to LfcSU3520
Depends on if a director has fanboys that will circlejerk around any of his or her projects like Nolan has. One needs those fanboys to convience others that Superman is the greatest movie everm despite obvious faults. Oh, and one of the leads has to die. So probably no.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:29 am to CaptainBrannigan
I have never been interested in superman.
The dude is invincible as long as the sun is yellow and there is no krypton anywhere.
Wolverine is pseudo-invincible in that he regenerates faster than most things can kill him but at least he bleeds/gets knocked out
Batman has no superpowers and is still a badass.
The dude is invincible as long as the sun is yellow and there is no krypton anywhere.
Wolverine is pseudo-invincible in that he regenerates faster than most things can kill him but at least he bleeds/gets knocked out
Batman has no superpowers and is still a badass.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:31 am to LfcSU3520
No.
Fundamentally different characters that will not be able to be treated in the same fashion.
However, I do believe that the films that are put out under Nolan's guidance will be solid movies.
Fundamentally different characters that will not be able to be treated in the same fashion.
However, I do believe that the films that are put out under Nolan's guidance will be solid movies.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:32 am to saintsfan92612
Doomsday and other villains could deal with the invincibility problem. The real limitation is his moral perfection. There is no internal struggle for Superman and that makes him a very stale character.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:33 am to saintsfan92612
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The dude is invincible
this is a myth
BTW, that is one of the great comic series of our time.
He's about as invincible as Batman. Both have been killed multiple times and have come back.
IMO, the reason it's hard to translate Supe to the big screen is how campy it all feels sometimes. Americans don't like guys who never fail anymore, they want redemption stories. (look at how James bond has changed in the last 20-30 yrs).
Little Nolan needs to find a way to make Superman more of an underdog story.
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