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Bryan Cranston wants to join MCU, but only as an original villain
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:30 pm
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Which leads me to another point: why do all of the super villains have to be pre-established in these movies? It just doesn't make sense to me, especially when they go for highly obscure villains like Whiplash. Really they should just come up with the story they want to tell, if a villain fits the profile for the plot put him in, and if not just invent one that meets this criteria. Basically every other genre of films follows this formula, but not superhero films.
I think this may be a major reason why Marvel villains are by and large highly forgettable. The only villain they seem to be willing to create is a corrupt businessman or government employee. Really nothing in between. Does anyone remember Mask of the Phantasm or the Incredibles? Both created fantastic villains from scratch and they were highly memorable.
They were built to serve the plot first, not for the plot to serve the villain. I think this is probably the biggest issue with comic book films today, and they are being constrained by their own source material. Superman for instance doesn't have a single super powered threat that is based on Earth that wants to destroy it. He's got plenty of extraterrestrial enemies who do this, but the Earth is really nothing to their plans.
I really think Cranston is onto something, and we should see more original villains from superhero films.
Which leads me to another point: why do all of the super villains have to be pre-established in these movies? It just doesn't make sense to me, especially when they go for highly obscure villains like Whiplash. Really they should just come up with the story they want to tell, if a villain fits the profile for the plot put him in, and if not just invent one that meets this criteria. Basically every other genre of films follows this formula, but not superhero films.
I think this may be a major reason why Marvel villains are by and large highly forgettable. The only villain they seem to be willing to create is a corrupt businessman or government employee. Really nothing in between. Does anyone remember Mask of the Phantasm or the Incredibles? Both created fantastic villains from scratch and they were highly memorable.
They were built to serve the plot first, not for the plot to serve the villain. I think this is probably the biggest issue with comic book films today, and they are being constrained by their own source material. Superman for instance doesn't have a single super powered threat that is based on Earth that wants to destroy it. He's got plenty of extraterrestrial enemies who do this, but the Earth is really nothing to their plans.
I really think Cranston is onto something, and we should see more original villains from superhero films.
This post was edited on 10/11/15 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:36 pm to OMLandshark
Because that would require an original idea or some risk and the studios want no part of that.
How many totally original movies come out mainstream each year? I mean not based on books/other movies/rebooted. Not many.
How many totally original movies come out mainstream each year? I mean not based on books/other movies/rebooted. Not many.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:47 pm to OMLandshark
There're enough villains and stories in the comics to not need new ones. I'd be annoyed to see a new villain when i know of the existing ones that haven't been used.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:48 pm to OMLandshark
Heisenberg is kidnapped by the guardians of the galaxy while out in the desert one day.
Between the events of season 4 and 5a.
Between the events of season 4 and 5a.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 1:58 pm to OMLandshark
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I really think Cranston is onto something, and we should see more original villains from superhero films.
Should we see original superheroes too?
That's kind of lame. Nothing says we can't take an established villain and play with it heavily to create something "new." In fact, I think that's the best way to go, very much in the way of the origin stories we've already seen. They are all well done, but mashups of several different stories.
Someone like a Molten Man, Baron Blood, Flag Smasher, Dr. Faustus, etc.
(Really, a Faustus storyline would be fantastic).
I've always said take the Flag Smasher character and play up the GeoPolitics in a Cap film. Lame D-Level villains turned cool. (And yeah don't call him Flag Smasher).
This post was edited on 10/11/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/11/15 at 2:56 pm to SEClint
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Heisenberg is kidnapped by the guardians of the galaxy while out in the desert one day.
He said he wants to play a villain, not a hero.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:27 pm to OMLandshark
Marvel's villains are forgettable because they've used them in very similar ways. It's like watching every James Bond film and then realizing that most of the bad guys are so similar that you can't tell them apart.
In the Iron Man films and Ant-Man you have competing corporate villains in every film. Loki is the villain in both Thor movies and the Avengers film. The Captain America movies are Cap vs Nazis and Cap vs Shield (the Red Skull didn't make much of an impression on fans). Even with Age of Ultron being a checklist sort of film, at least the villain stands out. He wasn't a corporate or government rival and, while he ended up looking for an Infinity Stone like everyone else, he was a new type of villain for the films.
In the Iron Man films and Ant-Man you have competing corporate villains in every film. Loki is the villain in both Thor movies and the Avengers film. The Captain America movies are Cap vs Nazis and Cap vs Shield (the Red Skull didn't make much of an impression on fans). Even with Age of Ultron being a checklist sort of film, at least the villain stands out. He wasn't a corporate or government rival and, while he ended up looking for an Infinity Stone like everyone else, he was a new type of villain for the films.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 6:49 pm to Fewer Kilometers
The problem is Ledger's joker ruined comic book movie villains forever. He set the bar so impossibly high so early in the Superhero movie revival that every single villain will forever be compared to him and never measure up. Without that performance, Loki and Ultron would be considered good villains. Now they seem like over the top and cartoony by comparison.
It's kinda like how the Godfather made it tough for anyone to appreciate organized crime films that came after it. It was just so good that nothing else measures up. Same thing with Ben-Hur, it basically ruined historical epics for the next 35 years until the Braveheart/Gladiator era.
It's kinda like how the Godfather made it tough for anyone to appreciate organized crime films that came after it. It was just so good that nothing else measures up. Same thing with Ben-Hur, it basically ruined historical epics for the next 35 years until the Braveheart/Gladiator era.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 7:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
Loki was a great villain. He rules Asgard right now after killing his father.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 8:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The problem is Ledger's joker ruined comic book movie villains forever. He set the bar so impossibly high so early in the Superhero movie revival that every single villain will forever be compared to him and never measure up. Without that performance, Loki and Ultron would be considered good villains. Now they seem like over the top and cartoony by comparison.
Here's the thing with Ledger's Joker though: He served the plot first. When Nolan was coming up with the sequel, it's clear that Batman had to fall and Ra's al Ghul had to be proven as partially right in that merely standing up to evil civilly wouldn't end up accelerating evil. Joker is the perfect foil to Batman in this regard. And Batman has by far the strongest rouges gallery, to where just about any plot you can throw at Batman, some villain at this point could take it over. But with Superman, if you want a worldwide super powered threat who has his own agenda and isn't extraterrestrial, who are you going to go with? Metallo, Parasite, and Atomic Skull don't give a shite about taking over the world. The only one in his rouge's gallery that cares about this is Luthor, and he doesn't have powers. I'm just curious why Superman doesn't have his own version of Ra's al Ghul, and why this limitation should keep any filmmaker from making their own villain to fill it.
Aside from Loki and the Winter Soldier, is there a single Marvel villain that serves the plot first and isn't simply shoehorned in? All the other villains are just the same old bullshite in the end, with the exception of Ultron, who was severely held back by the censors. Who gives a shite with all these generic crappy villains? For the most part, most of Marvel's villains aren't best suited to the plot they're trying to tell. Loki and the Winter Soldier are the only ones there that are the true natural foils and plot points to what the story is trying to tell.
And yes I'm bitter about Ultron. If they had gone nuts with his concept, he could have been on the same level as Ledger's Joker. The fact that it's probable Loki killed more people in the Avengers 1 is ridiculous. Tens of millions should have been killed by Ultron, but they really just held him back.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 8:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The problem is Ledger's joker ruined comic book movie villains forever.
No, he didn't. Hiddelson's Loki is awesome.
The Joker in essence is a ball of clay as a character. No definitive origin. the multiple interpretations of the character throughout multiple decades in comics AND live action.
Marvel tighter continuity and of course Norse mythology keeps Loki in a narrower lane as a character. Loki has been an awesome villain.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:06 pm to RonBurgundy
Well. Cranston has just come out and said he'd like to play Mister Sinister: LINK
Great villain, but I'm not sure if Cranston is the right guy to play him. If he weren't playing Thanos, I'd say Josh Brolin would be perfect for him.
Great villain, but I'm not sure if Cranston is the right guy to play him. If he weren't playing Thanos, I'd say Josh Brolin would be perfect for him.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
Part of the reason I posted the web comic is the similarities between Walter White and Victor Von Doom.
Would love to see him as Doom and Jon Hamm as Reed. In an MCU film of course, not a bastardized Fox-Marvel movie.
Would love to see him as Doom and Jon Hamm as Reed. In an MCU film of course, not a bastardized Fox-Marvel movie.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:01 pm to OMLandshark
Sinister is one of those guys that might look silly in a live action movie. I dunno. I don't picture Cranston anyway.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:06 pm to OMLandshark
His ego is getting too big after everybody has been sucking his dick for BB the last 5 years. Bryan Cranston downfall incoming...
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:09 pm to BowlJackson
Why not Maximus the mad?
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:38 pm to OMLandshark
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And yes I'm bitter about Ultron. If they had gone nuts with his concept, he could have been on the same level as Ledger's Joker. The fact that it's probable Loki killed more people in the Avengers 1 is ridiculous. Tens of millions should have been killed by Ultron, but they really just held him back.
I agree the Ultron story was a letdown. But I still don't think it's necessary or even desirable to invent villains.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 11:41 pm to ThoseGuys
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Loki was a great villain
I might be in the minority but I'm not a fan of Loki. There's nothing about him that I find compelling. What exactly makes him so great?
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