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re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Books 3 and 4 Thread (Book 4 premieres in October)
Posted on 12/19/14 at 1:56 am to dawgfan24348
Posted on 12/19/14 at 1:56 am to dawgfan24348
WTF did i just watch at the end
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:35 am to DVinBR
That finale sucked balls at the end, built up really good and then fell right on it's face. No death of Kuvira, frick that. Kuvira just gives up, frick that. Only a tease of lesbian Korra, frick that, I wanted a full on kiss.
Shitty way to end a good series.
Wish they would of restored her connection to past avatars instead of another spirit portal...
Shitty way to end a good series.
Wish they would of restored her connection to past avatars instead of another spirit portal...
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 6:40 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:45 am to Dam Guide
You do know this on Nick right? 
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:55 am to dawgfan24348
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You do know this on Nick right?
Yeah I knew we wouldn't get the kiss...
They could and have done a kill off though. Hopefully if Netflix or someone else gets it, they can ramp up the more adult themes.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 6:56 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:06 am to Dam Guide
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No death of Kuvira, frick that. Kuvira just gives up, frick that.
I kind of felt the same way when Aang didn't kill Ozai, but in the end, it's Aang's defining moment as a character and his single greatest moment. He let his pure spirit defeat Ozai, and he ended the war on his terms, not what the world seemingly demanded of him.
I never expected Kuvira to die honestly. Plus killing Kuvira does nothing for Korra's character. Korra is more than capable of doing that, and I think it would have been character regression if she had killed Kuvira. It was pretty clear to me that Kuvira and Korra were reflections of one another, and that killing her would only make Korra the hot headed punk she was at the start of the series. In the first season, she attempts to downright murder Tarrlok in cold blood. Korra's initial approach in the series was always shoot first and ask questions later, but as time went on she realized that this should only be used as a last resort. No in the end Korra needed to negotiate with Kuvira and not just kick her arse. It was the best move for the character, and I love that that happened. Plus she killed Unalaq and kicked Amon out a 7 story window, so why is it necessary for her character to kill Kuvira?
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Only a tease of lesbian Korra, frick that, I wanted a full on kiss.
Go find a Rule 34 version of the characters if that's what you want. IMO it was done well and done as classy as they could have done it. It's not really shoved in your face, it's subtle, but it's also very clear where this is going. Korra and Asami I think just realized their true feelings for one another right there, while Aang and Katara had long come to terms with it by the end of series. I think it would have been forced from both characters to have done it right there.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 7:12 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:18 am to OMLandshark
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I kind of felt the same way when Aang didn't kill Ozai, but in the end, it's Aang's defining moment as a character and his single greatest moment. He let his pure spirit defeat Ozai, and he ended the war on his terms, not what the world seemingly demanded of him.
I never expected Kuvira to die honestly. Plus killing Kuvira does nothing for Korra's character. Korra is more than capable of doing that, and I think it would have been character regression if she had killed Kuvira. It was pretty clear to me that Kuvira and Korra were reflections of one another, and that killing her would only make Korra the hot headed punk she was at the start of the series. In the first season, she attempts to downright murder Tarrlok in cold blood. Korra's initial approach in the series was always shoot first and ask questions later, but as time went on she realized that this should only be used as a last resort. No in the end Korra needed to negotiate with Kuvira and not just kick her arse. It was the best move for the character, and I love that that happened. Plus she killed Unalaq and kicked Amon out a 7 story window, so why is it necessary for her character to kill Kuvira?
Aang was a much different character than Korra. His battle with death was a much different and necessary one to his character. It was well done.
Kuvira was done a great disservice to her character. She was teased to an almost Hitler level with concentration camps and willing to sacrifice the love of her life to get the power she always wanted. OMG, Korra saved her from a spirit explosion she caused, totally should stop world domination now and just accept jail. That was so dumb... Korra doesn't have to murder her, but the way it went down was just completely dissatisfying.
You can disagree, that's fine, but my opinion is as valid as yours...
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Go find a Rule 34 version of the characters if that's what you want. IMO it was done well and done as classy as they could have done it. It's not really shoved in your face, it's subtle, but it's also very clear where this is going. Korra and Asami I think just realized their true feelings for one another right there, while Aang and Katara had long come to terms with it by the end of series. I think it would have been forced from both characters to have done it right there.
It was a joke...
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 7:20 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:25 am to Dam Guide
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Aang was a much different character than Korra. His battle with death was a much different and necessary one to his character. It was well done.
Of course she is, and that's why they didn't have a huge overly elaborate battle between her and Kuvira at the end. Korra kicking arse does nothing for the character, since she's been more than capable of always doing this.
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Kuvira was done a great disservice to her character. She was teased to an almost Hitler level with concentration camps and willing to sacrifice the love of her life to get the power she always wanted. OMG, Korra saved her from a spirit explosion she caused, totally should stop world domination now and just accept jail. That was so dumb... Korra doesn't have to murder her, but the way it went down was just completely dissatisfying.
You can disagree, that's fine, but my opinion is as valid as yours...
I don't think Kuvira was ever crazy (like her other villains), just ruthless as frick. Kuvira was cut from a much different cloth than the other 3 Big Bads, and honestly didn't think for a second Kuvira would be killed during the finale. Korra is a character who has redeemed herself through sacrifice, and showing the levels she's willing to go to in a reasonable manner. I thought was always the best way to handle Kuvira, because in the end she knew that Korra was right and she had gone much too far with her mission. This is what I was expecting going into the finale, and I'm really glad Korra didn't kill Kuvira. I see no reason why Korra should have killed her.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:35 am to OMLandshark
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I don't think Kuvira was ever crazy (like her other villains), just ruthless as frick. Kuvira was cut from a much different cloth than the other 3 Big Bads, and honestly didn't think for a second Kuvira would be killed during the finale. Korra is a character who has redeemed herself through sacrifice, and showing the levels she's willing to go to in a reasonable manner I thought was always the best way to handle Kuvira, because in the end she knew that Korra was right and she had gone much too far with her mission. This is what I was expecting going into the finale, and I'm really glad Korra didn't kill Kuvira. I see no reason why Korra should have killed her.
It should of been this ruthlessness that pushed Kuvira on. She was willing to slaughter anything that got in her way. I mean she wrecked the frick out of a city, destroyed the spirit tree, and tried to kill the love of her life to complete her goal. It was such a poorly conceived turn for the character to go "oh I give up now." Hitler at least offed himself. If Kuvira's character would of maintained her arc, Korra's hand would of been forced to do something more. See Kyoshi vs Chin.
This is going to be one of those arguments where we won't change either's mind. I hated it, you liked it. The end...
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 7:44 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:08 am to Dam Guide
I don't see how killing Kuvira would have made things better. We knew how strong willed she was and everything, death would have been an easy finish. Absolutely defeating her to where you crush her will was an ultimate defeat. Making her submit in a show of raw power, one that she has to step back and admit she could never match was great. Not to mention korra winning with compassion instead of force. I think the mechanism suit was a bit over the top, but it made things to where when it was taken down it would show the power of the avatar and the ability of everyone with her.
Asami ' s scene with her dad was great, him redeeming himself and sacrificing himself really brought on the feels.
Asami ' s scene with her dad was great, him redeeming himself and sacrificing himself really brought on the feels.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:16 am to Scrowe
If you liked it, that's fine. I didn't and thought it was a cheap way out. The show of force wasn't really that great over anything else Korra has done and that Kuvira would of known or saw in person. It was a weak way for Kuvira to go out.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:21 am to Dam Guide
I think problem was Nick cutting funding for a 13th episode and still forced Bryan and Mike to make 13 episodes. Had they funded all the episodes then I'm guessing the ending to Kuvira would have been done better
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:31 am to Dam Guide
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If you liked it, that's fine. I didn't and thought it was a cheap way out. The show of force wasn't really that great over anything else Korra has done and that Kuvira would of known or saw in person. It was a weak way for Kuvira to go out.
I'm sorry, but it wasn't cheap. They could have easily killed her if the writers wanted to. Just have the spirit weapon backfire on her (as it did) and then kill her. She personally killed Unalaq and tried to kill her other antagonists. Killing Kuvira does nothing for Korra's character and is really character regression where she just resorts to mindless violence like she did when facing down Tarrlok.
I could see more this argument with Zaheer, since Korra's father really should have slit his throat on the spot and actually is too dangerous to be kept alive since I see no reason he can't continue to lead his organization through the Spirit World. But what is Kuvira going to do? Just rot in jail filled with regret that she ruined her relationship with the family that took her in. Just killing her does absolutely nothing, and where Korra was as a character and how Kuvira is as a villain, I could see from the start of the season that Korra wasn't going to kill her and Kuvira would survive. Killing Kuvira is the cheap and easy way out that I think most storytellers would resort to instead of using it as an opportunity to build up our main protagonist. Korra from the first 3 seasons would have killed Kuvira without a seconds thought, but Korra has learned from her past mistakes that this usually isn't the best way.
And I really think they should have made Kuvira Zaheer's daughter. Would have been nice if Zaheer explained that to Korra when went to visit him that he abandoned Kuvira in order to capture the Avatar and start new world order. Su took her in, and she saw it as a personal insult from Su not to let her restore balance to the Earth Kingdom after her father destroyed it. Would have also been another nice bonding moment between Korra and Kuvira in the end since that was the man who ruined both of their lives.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:38 am to OMLandshark
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I'm sorry, but it wasn't cheap.
I'm sorry, yes it was... It was the cartoon thing to do. GI Joe, where people hardly ever die and the giant fricking laser destroys the city, but no one dies from it.
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But what is Kuvira going to do? Just rot in jail filled with regret that she ruined her relationship with the family that took her in.
You are still looking at it from an angle where she just gives up. I didn't want her to do that. Hell, her soldiers were still willing to die for her when she pussed out. If I was in one of those suits, I would of rekt her arse for that shite.
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really think they should have made Kuvira Zaheer's daughter.
Now that would of been really cutesy stupid.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:43 am to Dam Guide
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I'm sorry, yes it was...
Dude, it was pretty easy to see this coming from a mile away that Korra would have to reason with Kuvira more than beat the dog crap out of her. There's no topping that Zaheer fight, so I see no reason to even try. It was subtle and great.
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You are still looking at it from an angle where she just gives up. I didn't want her to do that. Hell, her soldiers were still willing to die for her when she pussed out. If I was in one of those suits, I would of rekt her arse for that shite.
She completely gave up though. Korra reasoned with her that she went way too far in trying to restore order. The episode made that clear.
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Now that would of been really cutesy stupid.
I don't see what's so cutesy about it? It's still a story about a girl struggling with abandonment and trying to save her people from what her father did to both her and the Earth Kingdom.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:46 am to OMLandshark
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Dude, it was pretty easy to see this coming from a mile away that Korra would have to reason with Kuvira more than beat the dog crap out of her. There's no topping that Zaheer fight, so I see no reason to even try. It was subtle and great.
I agree there is no topping the Zaheer character, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't even try. It was a lame way for Kuvira to go out.
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She completely gave up though. Korra reasoned with her that she went way too far in trying to restore order. The episode made that clear.
And it was completely dumb for her to just completely give up.
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I don't see what's so cutesy about it? It's still a story about a girl struggling with abandonment and trying to save her people from what her father did to both her and the Earth Kingdom.
It's too neatly wrapped up in a cute little bow.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:50 am to Dam Guide
I thought the spirits were going to do something to Kuvira when she ran into the spirit jungle. That would of been more interesting for them to get their revenge on her for fricking up the tree and using the vines to power her weapon.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:55 am to Dam Guide
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I thought the spirits were going to do something to Kuvira when she ran into the spirit jungle. That would of been more interesting for them to get their revenge on her for fricking up the tree and using the vines to power her weapon.
I thought that too, but then I remembered the spirits said they weren't going to get involved.
But since we're not coming to an agreement with whether it was a cop out or not, can we all agree that Viacom pussed out on showing this on cable? There's always been something suspicious, and I always thought it was the ridiculous violence the Red Lotus brought to the table, but I now have to ponder if ending the show with the main character in a lesbian relationship wasn't the reason. I think Viacom knew they could still make money online and with DVDs, but they didn't want kids watching it for fear of parents flipping their shite. They definitely set up this series to fail from Season 2 onward and gave it the worst slots imaginable in order to justify it's cancellation.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:59 am to OMLandshark
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I thought that too, but then I remembered the spirits said they weren't going to get involved.
True
Maybe NK will hack them and we get to find out why they did what they did to this show.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:08 am to OMLandshark
The lesbian thing was subtle and not over the top, in fact it was left up to interpretation. Girl friends get way more touchy feely than guy friends and without a kiss or something of that nature it was just hand holding. I know it is insinuated, but not forced and falls within reasoning.
Oh and the thing about the robot not killing people, it wiped out that outpost which killed people, and demolished battleships which definitely caused casualties. Asami ' s father was crushed on screen leaving nothing to the imagination.
Oh and the thing about the robot not killing people, it wiped out that outpost which killed people, and demolished battleships which definitely caused casualties. Asami ' s father was crushed on screen leaving nothing to the imagination.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:11 am to Scrowe
Asami's father was killed by a swat, not the laser.
The laser was as useless as Star Wars battle rifles in the last episodes.
The laser was as useless as Star Wars battle rifles in the last episodes.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:12 am
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