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re: Article: What If The New Star Wars Sucks, Too?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:30 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:30 pm to brmark70816
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Revenge of the sith is an awesome movie
Tha frick?
Just awful - I laughed out loud.
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:34 pm to Das Jackal
The people have spoken...they love star wars....it can't be stopped by wanna be Internet critics and douchbag trolls on websites. Star wars rulz.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:36 pm to TigerNutwhack
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Just another example of the prequels telling and not showing.
Exactly. It is not shown in the films.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:38 pm to TigerNutwhack
I do not want to go on a tirade.
Star Wars the original trilogy is without a doubt one of the greatest trilogies of all time.
Empire was by far my favorite...I loved the Luke vs Vader fight and his aggression, along with a protagonist being completely outclassed by a much more experienced and powerful warrior as he should be.
A month long training session with Yoda should not equate to a life of being a fully trained Jedi Knight/Master/Sith IDK the prequels fricked all titles and classes of Jedi up for me.
The clash between stories and how they were previously explained vs how they actually happened really pissed many fans off
example: Episode 4 is completely shat upon by the prequels. "Anakin helping the Emperor track down and kill all the Jedi Knights" to me means...Anakin becomes a double agent Sith that seeks out and destroys Jedi Masters/Knights besting them in battle after luring them out and betraying their trust...where he eventually falls just short against a peer in Obiwan...George Obviously meant instead that Sidious orchestrated everything and needed a puppet to merk some kids...Padowans? aka not Jedi. While all the Knights are killed by Clone Storm Troopers and hand gun blasters...wait what?
How is a Clone blast so much more accurate and lethal compared to a Droid blast? They deflected the crap out of those in episode 2's stadium finale
Star Wars the original trilogy is without a doubt one of the greatest trilogies of all time.
Empire was by far my favorite...I loved the Luke vs Vader fight and his aggression, along with a protagonist being completely outclassed by a much more experienced and powerful warrior as he should be.
A month long training session with Yoda should not equate to a life of being a fully trained Jedi Knight/Master/Sith IDK the prequels fricked all titles and classes of Jedi up for me.
The clash between stories and how they were previously explained vs how they actually happened really pissed many fans off
example: Episode 4 is completely shat upon by the prequels. "Anakin helping the Emperor track down and kill all the Jedi Knights" to me means...Anakin becomes a double agent Sith that seeks out and destroys Jedi Masters/Knights besting them in battle after luring them out and betraying their trust...where he eventually falls just short against a peer in Obiwan...George Obviously meant instead that Sidious orchestrated everything and needed a puppet to merk some kids...Padowans? aka not Jedi. While all the Knights are killed by Clone Storm Troopers and hand gun blasters...wait what?
How is a Clone blast so much more accurate and lethal compared to a Droid blast? They deflected the crap out of those in episode 2's stadium finale
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:46 pm to TigerNutwhack
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Just another example of the prequels telling and not showing
So, what is the quota of times that Anakin and Palpatine needed to be shown hanging out to have been enough to establish the relationship? That was a pretty basic conclusion to be drawn, and the movies made it more than adequately known that they had a very close relationship. Not everything has to be spoon fed to the viewer.
There is plenty to bitch about from those movies, that is not one of them.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:49 pm to partywiththelombardi
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example: Episode 4 is completely shat upon by the prequels. "Anakin helping the Emperor track down and kill all the Jedi Knights" to me means...Anakin becomes a double agent Sith that seeks out and destroys Jedi Masters/Knights besting them in battle after luring them out and betraying their trust...where he eventually falls just short against a peer in Obiwan...George Obviously meant instead that Sidious orchestrated everything and needed a puppet to merk some kids...Padowans? aka not Jedi. While all the Knights are killed by Clone Storm Troopers and hand gun blasters...wait what?
I'm not following you here. How did the prequel shite on episode 4 here? I mean, I realize some of the key ones were killed by the storm troopers, but in order for the attack to work, it had to be swift and be by surprise. Anakin led an army into the temple and slaughtered any Jedi there. His deception and betrayal of trust was when he marched into the temple, called all Jedi back, and slaughtered them. What makes you assume that he only killed the kids? Vader's real hunt for the jedi came between 3 & 4, when the remaining Jedi were scattered across the galaxy.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:02 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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"A good friend" ...never came off that way...but ok
"Follow Obi on a crusade like his father"...not quite how that went down but again allowed.
"Lightsaber is a Jedi Knights weapon" - not a padowan
"The Dark Times before The Empire" Seems like he was no longer referencing the war...this would have literally been the period inbetween order 66 and the creation of the empire...this was literally the span of a night.
Vader a pupil of mine before he turned to evil "helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights"
He did not say padowans...that was something Clones could have done...the entire point of a sith is to have someone as skilled in combat as a Jedi to match and defeat them like Maul did with Qui Gon
He betrayed and murdered your father - Again this happened as previous stated within the span of seconds almost. The Vader character was almost created out of thin air because Lucas forgot to do it before hand and knew he was running out of movie.
He was seduced by the the dark side - What was the seducing? The Emperor on his death bed makes a plea to live...that was the power Anakin was seduced by?
3:05
"A good friend" ...never came off that way...but ok
"Follow Obi on a crusade like his father"...not quite how that went down but again allowed.
"Lightsaber is a Jedi Knights weapon" - not a padowan
"The Dark Times before The Empire" Seems like he was no longer referencing the war...this would have literally been the period inbetween order 66 and the creation of the empire...this was literally the span of a night.
Vader a pupil of mine before he turned to evil "helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights"
He did not say padowans...that was something Clones could have done...the entire point of a sith is to have someone as skilled in combat as a Jedi to match and defeat them like Maul did with Qui Gon
He betrayed and murdered your father - Again this happened as previous stated within the span of seconds almost. The Vader character was almost created out of thin air because Lucas forgot to do it before hand and knew he was running out of movie.
He was seduced by the the dark side - What was the seducing? The Emperor on his death bed makes a plea to live...that was the power Anakin was seduced by?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:04 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Empire was by far my favorite...
It's one of the greatest films of all time.
Not written or directed by Lucas.
Neither is force awakens. And Kasdan is back. Add Kasdan to JJ Abrams?
Can't hold all these feels.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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What makes you assume that he only killed the kids?
That was all the movie showed
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Vader's real hunt for the jedi came between 3 & 4, when the remaining Jedi were scattered across the galaxy.
Would have made a great movie
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:17 pm to partywiththelombardi
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"A good friend" ...never came off that way...but ok
Eh, one also has to take all of that conversation with a large grain of salt as Obi Wan obvously is sugarcoating things to not reveal the true nature of Luke's father. That whole conversation on Dagobah reveals that.
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"Follow Obi on a crusade like his father"...not quite how that went down but again allowed.
I mean, what was the Clone Wars to you? There is more than just these movies. They can't spoon feed you everything.
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"The Dark Times before The Empire" Seems like he was no longer referencing the war...this would have literally been the period inbetween order 66 and the creation of the empire...this was literally the span of a night.
Huh? I mean, okay he is being vague. You are just inferring that he meant not during war. All you can take from that is before the Empire and before the Dark times.
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Vader a pupil of mine before he turned to evil "helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights"
Again, I don't get what your point is. Vader does hunt down Jedi Knights. This is well established.
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He betrayed and murdered your father - Again this happened as previous stated within the span of seconds almost. The Vader character was almost created out of thin air because Lucas forgot to do it before hand and knew he was running out of movie.
It really didn't. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done better, but this was a long time coming. Did you watch The Clone Wars series? Again, this is another instance of the movie not spoon feeding you exactly what you want.
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He was seduced by the the dark side - What was the seducing? The Emperor on his death bed makes a plea to live...that was the power Anakin was seduced by?
At this point I don't know how to help you hear. At that point in the movie, Anakin had realized that Palpatine was the Sith Master. He was the one controlling everything. He knew that he could help him save Padme, and he was tricked into thinking the Jedi were betraying the republic and eliminating his only way to save her. That was the seduction. That was what ultimately pulled him into darkness was the thought of losing someone else he loved.
I'm just going to assume you just didn't want to see any of that when watching the movies. Again, i'm not saying they executed everything perfectly, but you are completely missing aspects that really weren't very hard to pick up on.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:19 pm to partywiththelombardi
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That was all the movie showed
They also showed tons of dead Jedi in the temple. That was just the beginning of the hunt for the Jedi. It did not end there. Movies don't have to show every last detail. There comes a point that you as the viewer have to be able to think for yourself.
ETA: I'm probably off for the rest of the night, so feel free to respond to me or ignore entirely. Have a good one
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Movies don't have to show every last detail.
They could show some.
In the prequels, Anakin is a shitty jedi who loses his only light saber battle with Obi-Wan.
Vader's character is never even established as a bad arse. He's horrible with the force, he's horrible with a light saber, and he whines all the time.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:27 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
It is not spoon feeding if that is what the entire premise of the prequels were suppose to be about...
Nobody wanted Jar Jar Binks, Quatto, Pod Racing or half the other BS filler.
No I did not watch some animated show. I did watch the movies and it is the execution of what they were trying to do that everyone has a problem with.
Vaders fall was suppose to be basically the 3 films...All that happened was 3 films of Anakin being whiny and throwing a ridiculous temper tantrum...this is basically what creates Darth Vader.
What power to save Padme? He is a schemer he had not revealed any actual power beyond manipulation of politicians to that point...that is not a supernatural power it is very present in this life. The man could not save himself...its like a guy driving a Pento telling me he is balling out of control...I can deduce that he is probably full of crap.
Bottom line is the prequels sucked. George failed epicly at attempting to make them.
Nobody wanted Jar Jar Binks, Quatto, Pod Racing or half the other BS filler.
No I did not watch some animated show. I did watch the movies and it is the execution of what they were trying to do that everyone has a problem with.
Vaders fall was suppose to be basically the 3 films...All that happened was 3 films of Anakin being whiny and throwing a ridiculous temper tantrum...this is basically what creates Darth Vader.
What power to save Padme? He is a schemer he had not revealed any actual power beyond manipulation of politicians to that point...that is not a supernatural power it is very present in this life. The man could not save himself...its like a guy driving a Pento telling me he is balling out of control...I can deduce that he is probably full of crap.
Bottom line is the prequels sucked. George failed epicly at attempting to make them.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:31 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Star Wars is not an interpretative art piece, it is not abstract...its not Birdman.
You are giving the people who made these shitastic movies way too much credit for doing a half arse Michael Bay piece.
You are giving the people who made these shitastic movies way too much credit for doing a half arse Michael Bay piece.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:36 pm to Breesus
Once the force awakens comes out nobody will remember the prequels ever again. It will be so damn good. Only empire could rival it.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 6:20 pm to partywiththelombardi
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example: Episode 4 is completely shat upon by the prequels. "Anakin helping the Emperor track down and kill all the Jedi Knights" to me means...Anakin becomes a double agent Sith that seeks out and destroys Jedi Masters/Knights besting them in battle after luring them out and betraying their trust...where he eventually falls just short against a peer in Obiwan...George Obviously meant instead that Sidious orchestrated everything and needed a puppet to merk some kids...Padowans? aka not Jedi. While all the Knights are killed by Clone Storm Troopers and hand gun blasters...wait what?
I think it's pretty well established that at least some Jedi survived Order 66 besides Kenobi and Yoda, and that's when Vader did the hunting of the Jedi. That was pretty much his damn job between the trilogies.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 6:22 pm to Feral
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Three others (the prequels) are among the worst films ever to receive wide theatrical release.
That's a bit far. They are bad movies, but not THAT bad.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 6:36 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I mean, what was the Clone Wars to you? There is more than just these movies. They can't spoon feed you everything.
That quote is a plothole. The only time that Anakin and Owen knew each other is when he came in for a day just to butcher women and children, goes on a megalomaniacal rant, and then steals their protocol droid. He says that Owen said that Anakin should have remained put and not gone on a crusade with Obi Wan. Owen should have been a much more prominent part in the prequels where he tries to get Anakin out of it from the start and can fathom what he could turn into, but Obi Wan refuses to listen to him and thinks he's merely holding his gifted brother back out of jealousy instead of concern.
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At this point I don't know how to help you hear. At that point in the movie, Anakin had realized that Palpatine was the Sith Master. He was the one controlling everything. He knew that he could help him save Padme, and he was tricked into thinking the Jedi were betraying the republic and eliminating his only way to save her. That was the seduction. That was what ultimately pulled him into darkness was the thought of losing someone else he loved.
That was love though, not the dark side. The dark side is power, and I really never got that Anakin was all that power-hungry before he turns all Sith like. Yes he talks about being powerful, but what he's mostly talking about really is being appreciated. He's not out to subdue others with his power like he clearly is in the original trilogy. Anakin was simply tricked into the dark side and didn't really choose it. Anakin should have consciously chosen vengeance and power over good, and he becomes a Sith without realizing it until it's much too late.
Vader in the originals is all about power and doesn't understand that "the power of the dark side" is not a valid argument to someone who doesn't want power. Vader clearly doesn't understand that not everyone is after power. He thinks that's what the Jedi were after as well but were simply too cowardly to touch the dark side.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:29 pm to OMLandshark
it is well established...I just do not see the point in making a trilogy about a war that features only the first battle and last mission in it or a villain who is suppose to hunt/kill Jedi not being shown doing so.
Again probably part of the reason the prequels were terrible and almost universally hated by fans and casual adults.
The only fans of these 3 movies appear to be people like Aubie who is probably only defending his millennial childhood nostalgia.
Again probably part of the reason the prequels were terrible and almost universally hated by fans and casual adults.
The only fans of these 3 movies appear to be people like Aubie who is probably only defending his millennial childhood nostalgia.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:56 pm to partywiththelombardi
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it is well established...I just do not see the point in making a trilogy about a war that features only the first battle and last mission in it or a villain who is suppose to hunt/kill Jedi not being shown doing so.
I would have gone at it a bit differently as well. I think that Anakin should have had a personal vendetta against Mace Windu, and when he comes across both him and Darth Maul in the same room, he thinks he could get away with killing them both and blaming it on Maul. Anakin is caught in the act of murdering Mace, and then has to fight for his life as some Jedi come after him. His only logical conclusion that he himself must hunt down the Jedi (save Obi Wan) before they can get to him. I don't think that Vader should have been full evil at the end of Episode III, since 20 years in that suit is plenty of time to become that, but just make sure all the pieces are set. Anakin's character should have been Michael Corleone, Magneto, and Macbeth put into a blender. The butchering of the children went way too far.
But a 3 way duel between Anakin, Mace, and Maul has to have been the biggest missed opportunity in the series. 3 way duels are hard to pull off, but when they are, they are almost always glorious.
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