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lsudave1
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Apocalypse Now Movie
I watched this movie for the first time the other day, ans I have to tell you it was one of the greatest war movies I've ever seen. The ending was extremely unexpected, and I think the message of the movie described by Marlon Brando's character, Kurtz, is absolutely chilling. Before watching the movie, I read an article about the bias that was used in that movie versus other Vietnam movies such as Green Berets, and I found it fascinating that Coppola was not given the same privileges that John Waynes was during the filming of Green Berets because it put a more realistic light on the Vietnam crisis. For those of you who have seen the movie before (Apocalypse Now), I have a few discussion questions about the movie that I'd like to talk about.

1. Using three elements of film, how does Coppola show his bias towards the U.S. military in the movie?
2. Who is the most insane: Kilgore, Kurtz, or Willard? Explain your reasoning.
3. What is your opinion on the meaning and significance of the final line "The horror, the horror"?

Let us discuss...


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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
I applaud your excitement, but wrong board


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Let us discuss...


ON THE CORRECT FORUM!

The horror... of this mistake


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lsudave1
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Ooops pardon my mistake


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PeteRose
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
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Kurtz


If you saw a pile of kids arms, you'd realized what Kurtz realized and did what he did.


lsudave1
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Right, but, why did he choose that path? Was he really the insane one?


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So, you have an exam in a film survey class and are looking for help on it?


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Ace Midnight
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
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Let us discuss...


Write your own paper, baw.


lsudave1
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
I have already written a personal reflection, I'm far removed from college now. But I want to have an educated conversation using the elements of film to discuss the movie.


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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Thought it dragged..


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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Sheen had a heart attack during filming.

17 facts about the movie

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HARVEY KEITEL WAS FIRST HIRED TO PLAY WILLARD. Coppola held exhaustive audition sessions for his primary cast, but the part of Willard proved to be a problematic one for Coppola. He first offered the part to actor Steve McQueen, who turned down the role because he didn’t want to shoot in the jungle on location. Al Pacino, James Caan, and Jack Nicholson all turned down successive offers from Coppola until he gave the role to Harvey Keitel. Coppola fired Keitel six weeks into production because he thought the actor’s performance wasn’t as introspective as he needed for the character. So he called Martin Sheen, who had previously auditioned for the role of Michael Corleone in The Godfather and passed on Apocalypse Now because he was shooting The Cassandra Crossing in Rome.



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Ace Midnight
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
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But I want to have an educated conversation using the elements of film to discuss the movie.


The film does a nice job of internal/external conflict with Willard essentially transitioning from a character very much like Kilgore (America at the beginning of the war, full of piss and vinegar with guys who won WWII at battalion command and above) to a character very much like Kurtz. In that Willard is the "protagonist" and Kurtz in the "antagonist" - from a classic narrative standpoint, they are the same character but for the passage of time and experience.

So, we have a juxtaposition of Kilgore and Kurtz - the former in love with war and the latter sick after a belly full of it. And we know, in context, that not being allowed to win is what changes the former to the latter. The Redux version makes the absurdity of all this more clear - although ponderous, the French plantation scenes provide much needed context and exposition into the war the audience already know is lost - the French during the war substituting for post-war Americans.


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Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...


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Right, but, why did he choose that path? Was he really the insane one?


Yes.

Hoppers character sums it up, “Its the skulls, right?”


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If you need help with your paper watch the documentary on the making of the film.


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tenderfoot tigah
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Amazing movie.

Check out Band Of Brothers. I am not a huge war movie person but wow that one is amazing also. WW2 themed.


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Amazing movie.


Its in my top 3, ah frick it its my favorite. Its the perfect balance of struggle individually and in a forced group. Vietnam is the backdrop but its about people in fricked up situations.

And if you think you can watch it once or twice and get it you are wrong, the more you watch the more you learn.



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lsufan112001
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I watched it the other day for the first time in years. Kind of drags along but has some solid parts along the way. A good movie it is.


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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
You should probably read Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, the book on which AN is based on.

Heart of Darkness is set in Colonial Africa, but Apocalypse Now is very much based on it, just the setting changed.



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lsudave1
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re: Apocalypse Now Movie
Correct. But, using the elements of film, how do you think lighting and mise-en-scene help to show bias towards Willard's mission? How does this help to paint the picture of him as the protagonist rather than the antagonist when he is clearly neither?


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