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Another Thread About Star Wars NOT A Science Fiction Movie
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:13 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:13 am
I was watching an interview with George Lucas last night. He reiterated that Star Wars was not intended to be, nor was it, a "science fiction" movie. It was an old fashioned fairy tail. There was precious little scientific basis to any of the shite that occurs in the movie.
He pointed to 2001 as an example of science fiction.
I've always had trouble understanding why people put SW in the science fiction genre. It's actually closer to a western.
He pointed to 2001 as an example of science fiction.
I've always had trouble understanding why people put SW in the science fiction genre. It's actually closer to a western.
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:16 am to VOR
I mostly agree with him, except I can see how people classify it as a SciFi film because...well...duh!
All I can say for certain, though, is Die Hard is NOT a Christmas movie.
All I can say for certain, though, is Die Hard is NOT a Christmas movie.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:19 am to VOR
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There was precious little scientific basis to any of the shite that occurs in the movie.
So, in other words...the science was fictional?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:26 am to VOR
Was outer space involved? Was there radical advanced technology that doesn't even remotely exist now nor when the movie was made? Are those technologies critical to the advancement of the plot?
Must be science fiction seeing how I don't recall there being a giant orbital laser weapon threatening to destroy an entire planet in "The Frisco Kid".
Does it borrow a lot of plot points from the fairy tale genre? Absolutely.
Does it share a lot of character archetypes and motifs with Western Epics? Absolutely
However, Arthur Pendragon didn't become King of the Britons by firing proton torpedoes into a spot not much larger than one of those womp rats he use to shoot with his T-16 back home.
There's also a severe lack of Twi-leks in "410 to Yuma", and I don't remember there being travel through outer space in "Sleeping Beauty".
Must be science fiction seeing how I don't recall there being a giant orbital laser weapon threatening to destroy an entire planet in "The Frisco Kid".
Does it borrow a lot of plot points from the fairy tale genre? Absolutely.
Does it share a lot of character archetypes and motifs with Western Epics? Absolutely
However, Arthur Pendragon didn't become King of the Britons by firing proton torpedoes into a spot not much larger than one of those womp rats he use to shoot with his T-16 back home.
There's also a severe lack of Twi-leks in "410 to Yuma", and I don't remember there being travel through outer space in "Sleeping Beauty".
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:31 am to VOR
Science Fiction is a pretty broad genre. I think it is fine to label Star Wars as such. It definitely has fantasy elements, too, though.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:42 am to VOR
space opera or space western
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:53 am to kingbob
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Arthur Pendragon didn't become King of the Britons
Now that I think about it, Monty Python and the Holy Grail is likely a science fiction movie. A 5 oz bird could not carry a 1 lb coconut!
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:55 am to VOR
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Another Thread About Star Wars NOT A Science Fiction Movie
Well of course not, it's a documentary about something happening a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Where they just happen to speak English.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:56 am to Bmath
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A 5 oz bird could not carry a 1 lb coconut!
Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:03 am to kingbob
Depends, is it African or European?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:05 am to VOR
It's fantasy
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:11 am to VOR
Not a sf movie and not really close. Most movies we think of science fiction aren't. For a movie to be science fiction, it must explore science in some way, something that most movies never do.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:33 am to athenslife101
well, he did make a scientific-ish reason for people who have the force with midichlorian levels in Phantom Menace
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:41 am to Dr RC
Phantom Menace, what s that?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:54 am to kingbob
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Was outer space involved? Was there radical advanced technology that doesn't even remotely exist now nor when the movie was made? Are those technologies critical to the advancement of the plot? Must be science fiction seeing how I don't recall there being a giant orbital laser weapon threatening to destroy an entire planet in "The Frisco Kid". Does it borrow a lot of plot points from the fairy tale genre? Absolutely. Does it share a lot of character archetypes and motifs with Western Epics? Absolutely However, Arthur Pendragon didn't become King of the Britons by firing proton torpedoes into a spot not much larger than one of those womp rats he use to shoot with his T-16 back home. There's also a severe lack of Twi-leks in "410 to Yuma", and I don't remember there being travel through outer space in "Sleeping Beauty".
All of this. And on top of that, there's precious little that falls out of George Lucas' pie hole that I give an ounce of credibility to. frick that fat ruiner of childhoods.
Han shot first and there is no 4th Indiana Jones movie.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 9:57 am to VOR
It's only a science fiction movie to people who aren't fans of science fiction. A lot of people aren't interested in either science or science fiction, and it only takes an association with space and lasers in space for them to think of science and therefore science fiction.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:04 am to CocomoLSU
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So, in other words...the science was fictional?
Classic science fiction was developed as a genre to speculate on different ways that life and humans would situationally react given certain scientific advancements or situations. All the best science fiction writers tried to use at the very least plausible science*. Some of them were even scientists themselves. It is about dreaming about the future and sometimes our place in the cosmos.
The "science" in Star Wars isn't just fictional. It is fantastic. Star Wars is an action adventure, epic fantasy story that happens to take place in space. The science fiction genre is about more than just the setting.
*Plausible at the time anyway. I've read several Asimov novels that were written in the 50's where Asimov placed a foreward in later editions that some of his ideas had been proven to be incorrect by scientific discovery. He always apologized for his mistake and expressed his hope that the novel could still be enjoyed on its merits as a work of fiction.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:11 am to Peazey
Any way theres a leak of the new trailer before tomorrow?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:28 pm to lsufan9193969700
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All I can say for certain, though, is Die Hard is NOT a Christmas movie.
I will throw you off of Nakatomi Plaza if you don't take that back.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:40 pm to Peazey
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Classic science fiction was developed as a genre to speculate on different ways that life and humans would situationally react given certain scientific advancements or situations. All the best science fiction writers tried to use at the very least plausible science*. Some of them were even scientists themselves. It is about dreaming about the future and sometimes our place in the cosmos.
The "science" in Star Wars isn't just fictional. It is fantastic. Star Wars is an action adventure, epic fantasy story that happens to take place in space. The science fiction genre is about more than just the setting.
No one is going to argue that Star Wars is "hard" SciFi. Science fiction is a very broad genre, though, encompassing everything from 50s "alien eats the town" movies to serious speculative fiction. I think SW can be put somewhere in between, even if it spans several genres.
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