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re: Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:15 am to Breesus
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:15 am to Breesus
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TDKR massive issues:
Why the frick did every single cop in the city march into the sewers at the same time?
It took Bruce years of walking with a Cane to remember he had a knee snap device in his basement that easily fixed his issues?
It took hanging on a rope for a month to completely heal a broken back enough to jump and free fall twice with only a rope attached to his back which snapped when he fell?
Everyone just figures out he's Bruce Wayne without much of a problem?
He gave the bat cave to some pussy untested rookie cop with no fight experience and no training?
Why didn't Nolan just kill him?
The terrible background extras in the movie.
The complete and total castration and emasculation or Bane first by Talia then by Catwoman. Got that scene was terrible.
And the stupid frick you at the end of the movie where not only is Bruce alive, but then Alfred, life long mentor, Guardian, parent, father figure, Butler, friend sees his adopted son who he believed was dead and just gets up and leaves.
Don't forget Batman took time and energy to put an flammable liquid on a bridge in the shape of a bat!
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:17 am to LSUPERMAN
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Don't forget Batman took time and energy to put an flammable liquid on a bridge in the shape of a bat!
The thidty needths ithss thymbol
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:21 am to Freauxzen
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So defend different strokes and the idea that people aren't weird for liking something different, OR call them fanboys and set up unrealistic parameters around someone liking a film?
how did I know it would be you who would make such a big deal about what I said
First of all I never called anyone weird for having a different opinion. Secondly, I'm only teasing, and like clockwork, you took the bait. Another thing, when I say a fanboy it's not meant to be taken as disrespect. Is that not what we all are is fans? Should I remove the "boys" and just call you a "marvel fan" would that make it much better for you?
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Or are you saying that people aren't weird for liking DC movies over Marvel, but people who like Marvel movies over DC movies are fanboys?
first of all, my favorite characters are the xmen, so I'm not sure why you're assuming that I prefer DC over Marvel. In realilty I don't choose sides. If you're a fan of comic books, you should want them all to have success
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:24 am to Froman
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The Avengers is a much better movie than The Dark Knight Rises.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
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But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
Im not a Marvel fan at all
but you are very wrong here.
TDKR was shite. On wheat toast.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:29 am to Breesus
some good points there, but you could do the same thing for TDK, just you don't think about it because of the pacing and editing...for a movie with a slower pace, and slow build, there was just too much nonsense, but the core of the trilogy and the TDKR is emotion, character arcs, consequences
the avengers just doesn't have it at all. They never explain who the aliens are at all, they're just the robot soldiers from the star wars prequels essentially, disposable nobodies...and no one ever faces a difficult choice or learns and overcomes...they just bicker (for no reason) for the entire second act, then then for some reason, loki ALLOWS himself to be caught to reasonable end, now I have a call and meeting...gotta end this rant
the avengers just doesn't have it at all. They never explain who the aliens are at all, they're just the robot soldiers from the star wars prequels essentially, disposable nobodies...and no one ever faces a difficult choice or learns and overcomes...they just bicker (for no reason) for the entire second act, then then for some reason, loki ALLOWS himself to be caught to reasonable end, now I have a call and meeting...gotta end this rant
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:36 am to DelU249
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you could do the same thing for TDK, just you don't think about it because of the pacing and editing
You also don't think about it because it was a better movie in every aspect.
Some things can be forgiven and suspended in a comic book movie. TDKR was just shitty. And all of its problems aren't overcome by anything. Weak ending, subpar plot, mediocre character development, etc. I didn't care about any of the characters. In Batman Begins you had scarecrow and Ras. Interesting characters you wanted to learn about. In TDK you had Joker and to a lesser extent two face. In TDKR you had no reason to be interested in any of the villains because no one in the move was interested in them either. No one cared where they came from or why they were doing what they were doing. And any time some kind of mystery was built up Bane just casually laid it all out for you anyway so you didn't have to think to much. Then the last 30 mins of the movie happened and you left the theatre thinking what did I just watch?
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the core of the trilogy and the TDKR is emotion, character arcs, consequences
There were character arcs and consequences in TDKR? What consequences were there?
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the avengers just doesn't have it at all
Completely separate movies in completely separate universes. Batman Begins and TDK were set in a gritty dark "realistic" universe with real characters and solid writing and acting. The avengers was a pure fun movie. Room a bunch of super heros everyone liked and had them interact and fight together in a cool popcorn action flick.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:41 am to Breesus
quote:I think it is a very flawed movie, but I just don't think it's anywhere near shitty either
TDKR was just shitty
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:47 am to DelU249
If you look at it in comparison to the first two and as a wrap up of the Nolan universe, I have to stick to my point. It's shitty.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:08 am to RLDSC FAN
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First of all I never called anyone weird for having a different opinion.
And I never said you said you did.
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I'm only teasing, and like clockwork, you took the bait.
You mean like clockwork I called out the hypocrisy again? If you were "teasing," you'd call out both sides, but you don't. And you started with the first response in this thread.
But back away into the "I was just joking!" line, regardless of a continued notion to instigate.
Just calling it like I see it. If you were trolling. Bravo! Troll successful. Your day is now better.
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Another thing, when I say a fanboy it's not meant to be taken as disrespect. Is that not what we all are is fans? Should I remove the "boys" and just call you a "marvel fan" would that make it much better for you?
Fanboy is a negative phrase and you know that. It's meant to be a slant to someone who blindly and unequivocally supports something.
Whether or not you used it to troll, and maybe you did, you know it's not exactly friendly.
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first of all, my favorite characters are the xmen, so I'm not sure why you're assuming that I prefer DC over Marvel. In realilty I don't choose sides. If you're a fan of comic books, you should want them all to have success
That's great to believe and I agree. Maybe that should come through in how you conduct yourself on here. Just a thought.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
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it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers
Agreed. Avengers is a very overrated movie.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
what about man of Steel?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:37 am to Ole Sparky
Neither was very good. TDKR was just a poorly conceived and executed ending for the sake of having an ending. I think it had some themes that could have been good if flushed out properly, but that didn't happen.
The Avengers was a simple action movie. It didn't do anything special except aggregate a bunch of characters. It seemed forced and unnatural. I'm not sure if it worked or not.
The Avengers was a simple action movie. It didn't do anything special except aggregate a bunch of characters. It seemed forced and unnatural. I'm not sure if it worked or not.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:42 am to Breesus
you compare begins to TDK and its looks shitty in comparison
but they're not compared with one another, they compliment one another. I like Rises, I think some very simple and easy things could've been done just post production to make it an infinitely better movie.
but they're not compared with one another, they compliment one another. I like Rises, I think some very simple and easy things could've been done just post production to make it an infinitely better movie.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:51 am to RollTide1987
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This is literally the only message board that believes The Dark Knight Rises sucks as a movie. I can buy the problems people have with it. But to say the movie totally sucked proves you're stupid.
After reading multiple posts if yours, I think you are confused on the whole concept of opinions, facts, truths and those kinds of things.
My 2 cents on the whole thing (which I know everyone is dying to know)- The Avengers succeeds and hits a home run when it comes to doing what it set out to do. They made a great movie when you look at it from the perspective of what kind of movie they where trying to make. It's a movie that knows what it is and nails it.
TDKR tries to be too many things. It succeeds in accomplishing none of it. I want to call bullshite so many times. I realize it is a "comic book" movie. But that's like saying Star Wars is just a sci fi movie. It aims to be much higher than that. The twist completely imasculates Bane as the villain. I saw it once in theaters and once on TV and I don't care to ever see it again. Just to be honest, I didn't get the BFD about TDK either.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:08 pm to alajones
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My 2 cents on the whole thing (which I know everyone is dying to know)- The Avengers succeeds and hits a home run when it comes to doing what it set out to do. They made a great movie when you look at it from the perspective of what kind of movie they where trying to make. It's a movie that knows what it is and nails it.
TDKR tries to be too many things. It succeeds in accomplishing none of it. I want to call bullshite so many times. I realize it is a "comic book" movie. But that's like saying Star Wars is just a sci fi movie. It aims to be much higher than that. The twist completely imasculates Bane as the villain. I saw it once in theaters and once on TV and I don't care to ever see it again. Just to be honest, I didn't get the BFD about TDK either.
Everyone should chime in, so yes we're dying to know
Complete agree with this though. I think this idea rings true in more than a few debates here (see the possible upcoming Interstellar reactions compared to Gravity). Identifying WHAT the film wants to do and why they want to do it is extremely important. That's find the place where a film knows exactly what it wants to be.
For the director to communicate that effectively, and for the viewer to find it, is one of those complicated processes that all of our preconceptions and misconceptions can blur.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Avengers is a much more watchable movie. TDK is still better, but TDKR is not.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:30 pm to Napoleon
Bane's death still haunts me. So bad.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:15 pm to Breesus
quote:
TDKR massive issues:
Why the frick did every single cop in the city march into the sewers at the same time?
It took Bruce years of walking with a Cane to remember he had a knee snap device in his basement that easily fixed his issues?
It took hanging on a rope for a month to completely heal a broken back enough to jump and free fall twice with only a rope attached to his back which snapped when he fell?
Everyone just figures out he's Bruce Wayne without much of a problem?
He gave the bat cave to some pussy untested rookie cop with no fight experience and no training?
Why didn't Nolan just kill him?
The terrible background extras in the movie.
The complete and total castration and emasculation or Bane first by Talia then by Catwoman. Got that scene was terrible.
And the stupid frick you at the end of the movie where not only is Bruce alive, but then Alfred, life long mentor, Guardian, parent, father figure, Butler, friend sees his adopted son who he believed was dead and just gets up and leaves.
the sewers didn't work at all for me and I didn't even feel it was necessary.
the pivotal moment of bruce climbing out of the pit was kinda overwhelmed by the knowledge that a small child successfully made the leap - what kind of superhero can't jump at least four or five times the distance of a child? also, why not climb the fricking rope that extends upwards above?
why do people have disk surgery when you can apparently have your back fixed by a dirty old man jabbing a broken disk or vertebrae with his fingers? shite, our surgeons have been doing everything wrong
the terrible background extras in the big fight scenes made me search for adam west and burt ward.
the giant cheat at the end was an especially obnoxious end. the weighed down helicopter with only seconds to get out of town somehow must have gone supersonic (while allowing bruce to bail out safely?) to get an adequate distance out of town to not destroy most of gotham. honestly if it wasn't for the cheat at the end I'd have probably been a lot less critical of all the other problems because there are a lot of positive things in the story. Bane for example was great, until he turned out to be a meaningless pawn who died with the same attention usually devoted to an ensign on star trek
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:32 pm to molsusports
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e pivotal moment of bruce climbing out of the pit was kinda overwhelmed by the knowledge that a small child successfully made the leap - what kind of superhero can't jump at least four or five times the distance of a child? also, why not climb the fricking rope that extends upwards above?
shite like this, and his back injury and his leg graft are overblown...jesus, shite like this is in every god damn movie
it was a feat because years of being the batman has taken a toll on his body, and he recently was beaten within an inch of his life and never received proper medical care. the point of the child making it was too emphasize the tenacity it takes, not the physical capabilities.
but don't get me wrong, there was a shite ton of things that marked this movie as flawed, but this wasn't one of them
1. Alfred checking out bane on his facebook
2. the cops in the sewers
3. the editing, bane's in the ME, seconds later he's in gotham
4. JGL's just knowing who batman is (it would've been better had he admitted to solving the puzzle through detective work, and that he had known for some time)
5. JGL asking selina kyle if "they killed him", how would he even know to ask her about batman/wayne...there was zero connection that he knew of.
6. the stadium sequence was really lame.
7. batman has time to graffiti a bat signal on the bridge when time is sort of important.
8. Hated Neeson's cameo
9. what's her face's overwrought death throws
there's more, but the stuff people point out is really no big deal
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