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Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:14 pm
It's pretty amazing that when these movies came out that they were seen as equals and some even preferred the avengers.
There's nothing really "wrong" with the avengers per se. It is what it is and doesn't try to be anything else. It's a fun popcorn movie and I still enjoy it, but it is just a surface level comic book movie with a rehashed villan from their standalone Thor effort. It's ultimately all sizzle and no steak.
TDKR, on the other hand, was maligned at the time largely because it tried to pack way too much into one movie. They should have just filmed an extra 40 minutes, flushed out a few of the themes and broke it into two a la harry potter. But, after watching it a handful of times it really opens up. It's an outstanding blend of 2 of Batman's greatest stories (Knightfall and The Dark Knight Returns) combined with classic Charles Dickens' novel "A Tale of Two Cities". It's not perfect by any stretch, and you can tell that having to follow the previous batman film really weighed on the production. But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
There's nothing really "wrong" with the avengers per se. It is what it is and doesn't try to be anything else. It's a fun popcorn movie and I still enjoy it, but it is just a surface level comic book movie with a rehashed villan from their standalone Thor effort. It's ultimately all sizzle and no steak.
TDKR, on the other hand, was maligned at the time largely because it tried to pack way too much into one movie. They should have just filmed an extra 40 minutes, flushed out a few of the themes and broke it into two a la harry potter. But, after watching it a handful of times it really opens up. It's an outstanding blend of 2 of Batman's greatest stories (Knightfall and The Dark Knight Returns) combined with classic Charles Dickens' novel "A Tale of Two Cities". It's not perfect by any stretch, and you can tell that having to follow the previous batman film really weighed on the production. But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 7:16 pm
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
whoa...better duck bro. that's fighting words. How dare you insult the mighty MCU
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
Damn.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The Avengers is a much better movie than The Dark Knight Rises. I saw DKR three times for whatever reason and liked it less and less each time. it looked like it was made with minimal effort from someone who was over making Batman movies. The Avengers was a beautifully shot movie that gave you everything you went to the theater to watch.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:30 pm to Froman
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The Avengers is a much better movie than The Dark Knight Rises.
It's objectively a much worse movie. It's not even about taste, it's about knowing what you're talking about.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's objectively a much worse movie. It's not even about taste, it's about knowing what you're talking about.
Wow, you are worse over here than you are on the SB.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
they are two very different films. its like comparing Happy Gilmore to Wedding Crashers. both comedies. both very good but for different reasons and in different ways. idk if you can put these 2 movies into a direct comparison.
also, avengers was the start of MCU major events and spawning their next phase. TDKR was the end of a trilogy. very different circumstances
also, avengers was the start of MCU major events and spawning their next phase. TDKR was the end of a trilogy. very different circumstances
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:37 pm to BlacknGold
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also, avengers was the start of MCU major events and spawning their next phase. TDKR was the end of a trilogy. very different circumstances
Bingo.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Last part is spot on
Even with its many flaws its 100x better. The avengers is boring
Even with its many flaws its 100x better. The avengers is boring
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Avengers is a fun movie, but I really don't see how anyone could argue its better or more well made than TDKR.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:45 pm to Froman
ETA: responding to the post above
Raiders of the last ark is a fun movie
Avengers is no different than transformers or the Lone Ranger. It banks on featuring well known and well liked characters that have been around for decades
Raiders of the last ark is a fun movie
Avengers is no different than transformers or the Lone Ranger. It banks on featuring well known and well liked characters that have been around for decades
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Is this a troll thread? TDKR is pure garbage. Terrible writing and acting. Even the Nolan fanboys have to admit the dialogue is cringeworthy.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's objectively
"objectively" ?? lol,, objectively theres very little to talk about in each move,,
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's objectively a much worse movie. It's not even about taste, it's about knowing what you're talking about.
I'm still stuck on the scene where every cop in the city went into a tunnel
Every
Single
One
Dumbest plot move ever.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:05 pm to Brosef Stalin
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TDKR is pure garbage. Terrible writing and acting. Even the Nolan fanboys have to admit the dialogue is cringeworthy.
Is this a troll post?
TDKR is very flawed but even with that, it's still a good movie and a good conclusion to the Nolan trilogy. People calling TDKR garbage need to examine what really makes a garbage movie.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:07 pm to asurob1
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Every
Single
One
Dumbest plot move ever.
they lifted that straight from the comics.
it is still a comic book movie you know.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I knew after that opening sentence that this was a semi-troll effort. I upvoted anyways.
Never watched Avengers, nor will I ever. TDKR was the worst of the trilogy but still a very solid movie.
Never watched Avengers, nor will I ever. TDKR was the worst of the trilogy but still a very solid movie.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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they lifted that straight from the comics.
Really? I did not know that. Interesting.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:15 pm to RollTide1987
I will say this, every single film in The Dark Knight Trilogy can function, more or less, on its own. You don't really need to see Batman Begins before you watch The Dark Knight and you don't really need to watch the first two to understand The Dark Knight Rises. The Avengers on the other hand relies on the universe set up by the films that came before it. A person watching The Avengers before seeing the other MCU films that came before it will not be able to appreciate the movie fully. My parents were confused coming out of The Avengers because neither of them had seen any of the MCU films after the first Iron Man. Also the emotional spark of the movie, the death of Coulson, only resonates if you had seen the MCU films that came before it. Even then, when he died, despite the fact I had seen all of the movies, I really didn't care.
The Dark Knight Rises, for all its faults, is the better film. The Avengers might be more entertaining, but TDKR is better overall.
The Dark Knight Rises, for all its faults, is the better film. The Avengers might be more entertaining, but TDKR is better overall.
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