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re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D - The Framework

Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:52 am to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:52 am to
I do hope they bring Ward back somehow, as well as Bobbi and Hunter.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:16 pm to
Damn Fitz is cold. I kinda like this Fitz better.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:34 pm to
While Fitz did shoot Agnes, I think it's pretty obvious that Radcliffe telling Fitz that he traveled across the universe for Simmons (when Fitz had used that line earlier talking to Aida) will cause Fitz to flip, if it hasn't already.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 7:49 am to
I have a feeling Fitz has known where he's at all along, and is playing Aida's game so he can get everyone out.
Posted by Darkknight
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:00 am to
Question:

From what I understand, the people we see in the Framework are there either by being plugged in or by being a part of a plugged in person's conscience or dream.

So since Ward was dead before the Framework world that we are seeing was created, does this mean he is simply a part of Daisy's dream/conscience? Hence this Ward is not real?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:07 am to
Considering the architect of this framework didn't know who he was, I would think he's there b/c of Daisy's conscience.
shows that Daisy's greatest pain is Ward betraying her, not Lincoln dying, or her parents.
Still don't know what Jemma or Coulsons greatest pain was.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:57 am to
quote:

I have a feeling Fitz has known where he's at all along, and is playing Aida's game so he can get everyone out.


Would make sense. Why would he care if a computer simulation was being virtually tortured? And why did daisy for that matter?
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:20 am to
quote:

So since Ward was dead before the Framework world that we are seeing was created, does this mean he is simply a part of Daisy's dream/conscience? Hence this Ward is not real?


No one is "real" except for the Shield team, Radcliffe (though deceased in the real world) and Agnes (also deceased). AIDA "exists" as well, in both places.

Everyone else is built from the memories of the people plugged in (except Daisy and Jemma), with probably most of it built from May (longest time in the framework), as well as just general data learned from the world. Everything is different simply based on "corrections" given to the SHIELD team (removing their worst moment/problem). Kind of a "It's a Wonderful Life" situation, showing that without this SHIELD team, the world would have been screwed.

Maybe it's possible that "good Ward" is based on Daisy, which means the frameworks "story" changed on the fly, around everyone else.

quote:

Considering the architect of this framework didn't know who he was, I would think he's there b/c of Daisy's conscience. shows that Daisy's greatest pain is Ward betraying her, not Lincoln dying, or her parents. Still don't know what Jemma or Coulsons greatest pain was.


Coulson's was termed as "joining SHIELD and not having a normal life."

Jemma entering in on her own, who knows yet if her "greatest pain" will or has shown up. If anything, it's giving her, her greatest pain now.

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Would make sense. Why would he care if a computer simulation was being virtually tortured? And why did daisy for that matter?


Longshot, but possible. My longshot hope is that Fitz did get something back after shooting Agnes/Simmons crying out. Maybe it's why he's just outright torturing Radcliffe for all the trouble he's caused, and he's in the process of finding a way to get Daisy out of Hydra's clutches. Or he's just about to torture her some more...
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 11:22 am
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:41 pm to
Tripp! I missed that guy.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 2:28 am to
Damn...Mace...
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 6:47 am to
quote:

Damn...Mace...


I missed having him around but they gave him a fitting end. He actually got to be heroic in the way he faked being heroic.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:44 am to
It was a great episode. I liked that Tripp had some old spy camera from his grandfather. Does he have pics of the real world where shield won?
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:59 am to
Also, I know earlier I thought Fitz was faking to some degree. But they gave a good explanation for his new personality and it is really working with him as the villain. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets out to exact revenge on shield in the real world next season.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 11:00 am
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22734 posts
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:10 am to
Just jumping in to say I am really digging this arc. I haven't been this into the show since Ward turned.
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:13 pm to
Forgotten all about Tripp, glad he came back in this world. Villain Fitz is great. Sucks that Mace is gone. Really enjoying this half of the season
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25602 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:12 am to
This show has been pretty awesome as of late. Better get renewed for next year.

I am liking villain Fitz as well. And we got a reminder of how dumb this show has been to let guys like Tripp die, as well as let go of Bobbi and Hunter.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:22 pm to
quote:

I am liking villain Fitz as well.


Is villain Fitz coming to the real world? That would be badass.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

Is villain Fitz coming to the real world? That would be badass.


I suspect so. I had hoped Ward comes back as LMD, but now there's a chance of coming back as a human.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:57 pm to
They better bring Trip back too
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 7:24 am to
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had hoped Ward comes back as LMD, but now there's a chance of coming back as a human.




What did I miss? Explain please.
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