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re: 15 Reasons Tim Burton’s Batman is Better Than Chris Nolan’s The Dark Knight
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:09 pm to Tactical1
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:09 pm to Tactical1
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An integral Batman element missing from the Nolan films is a proper Batcave. Bruce Wayne has Wayne manor and Batman has the Batcave. But in Batman Begins it’s unfurnished and not used, in TDK it is a brightly lit warehouse because the real one is being ”rebuilt” and in TDKR we get a Batcave that Batman never uses and he retires by the end anyway so what was the point?
This is the only problem I have with Nolan's Batman... No real Batcave.
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:10 pm to sicboy
am i supposed to laugh at that?
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:15 pm to CarRamrod
Yep. Afraid so.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:17 pm to CarRamrod
I'm waiting.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:19 pm to CarRamrod
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See i totally agree with the first part but the 2nd i feel is wrong. Bale just sucked giving that fake arse speach clearing his house and at the diner table.
Isn't that part of Bruce Wayne though? He has to fake it in the social circle and being a dick
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:20 pm to Tiger1242
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Isn't that part of Bruce Wayne though? He has to fake it in the social circle and being a dick
Exactly. Wasn't there a line from Alfred about that in BB? About Bruce Wayne needing to fill that role? It was all an act.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:32 pm to Pilot Tiger
There is not a moment, an image, or a sound from Burton's Batman movies that comes close to being as good as Nolan's.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:10 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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There is not a moment, an image, or a sound from Burton's Batman movies that comes close to being as good as Nolan's.
Wow. Tell us how you really feel (and how utterly ridiculous that feeling is while you're at it).
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:12 pm to Alabama Slim
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it's almost like they were making movies based on a comic book or something.
Then do not resort to (as it has already been resorted to in this thread) how realistic Nolan's films are. It sounds stupid to try to have it both ways.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:20 pm to Rittdog
The only point I really agree with is the Batcave one. One of the things I really liked about Batman as a kid was the fact that he had a place where he could chill with all of his gadgets. The Batcave was the place that allowed Bruce to be Batman 24/7. He was usually down there when he wasn't entertaining guests or ladyfriends in the Burton movies. In the Nolan movies (outside of TDKR), he was more likely to hit the town than go into the Batcave when he had some downtime. There was some precedent for that (making sure he was seen so no one is suspicious of him), but I couldn't help but miss the Batcave.
I don't mind the fact that the Batmobile is different in the Nolan movies. You can't get away with having a vehicle that looks like it would handle corners like a grandma on a unicycle in this day and age.
In any case, both the comic book movies and the realistic movies exist, so I don't know why people fuss over them. Just pop one or the other in depending on your mood that day. I love them both for different reasons. I actually think that Batman Begins was the perfect bridge between the two styles, and that's probably why it's my favorite Batman film.
I don't mind the fact that the Batmobile is different in the Nolan movies. You can't get away with having a vehicle that looks like it would handle corners like a grandma on a unicycle in this day and age.
In any case, both the comic book movies and the realistic movies exist, so I don't know why people fuss over them. Just pop one or the other in depending on your mood that day. I love them both for different reasons. I actually think that Batman Begins was the perfect bridge between the two styles, and that's probably why it's my favorite Batman film.
This post was edited on 8/8/12 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:36 pm to Dodgson
They are both great movies. I personally prefer the Nolan version, but I can see how as a "body of work" some might prefer Burton.
That said, Ledger's Joker was far superior to Nicholson's.
That said, Ledger's Joker was far superior to Nicholson's.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This times infinity. The museum scene is laughably horrible.
Pffffttttfftt. Whatever man. I don't like my psychopaths to be willing to put a gun to their head and not care if it goes off or willing to strap a bomb to himself and be fine blowing everybody up including himself or snapping somebody's neck while being a genius at the same time or to be convincing that he chewed up razors or laugh when he's falling to his death. I like my psychopaths to DANCE AROUND AND MESS UP ART BABY YEAH! Had to of been a couple thousand dollars worth of paintings in there.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:39 pm to Dodgson
i still think Batman: The Animated Series (really glad they pointed that out for us) is better than all of them
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Then do not resort to (as it has already been resorted to in this thread) how realistic Nolan's films are. It sounds stupid to try to have it both ways.
"Realistic" when we are talking about a an action movie, based on a comic book character, is not meant to be taken 100% literally. To hold it to that standard in order to critique it is a tad disengenous.
With any movie really, but especially action/comic book type movies, we have a degree of suspension of disbelief. But there can still be a degree of verismillitude (which i think translates to similar truth or something like that) or plausability to it. The look and feel of the Nolan movies is certainly more realistic than any of the other Batman movies. Sorry, that's not even debatable. As far as the plots, I don't see anything more outrageous than other action/super hero type movies, like Bond movies for example. Maybe the Joker and Bane are doing more than Al Qeda could hope for, compared that to having penguis with missles on their backs its way more plausable.
You can think the Burton movies are better than the Nolan ones, or course you can also think Justin Bieber is better than than Rolling Stones if you like.
This post was edited on 8/8/12 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Then do not resort to (as it has already been resorted to in this thread) how realistic Nolan's films are. It sounds stupid to try to have it both ways.
I think it's virtually impossible to make a realistic comic book movie. Nolan did about as good as you can do and I personally don't feel that it could be argued otherwise. Every action movie out there is trying to be realistic, yet you never hear anybody complain about some of the absurdities in the Bourne or Mission Impossible movies. In the new Bourne movie it looks like he bunny hops a dirt bike onto a rail and grinds down it. But people will walk away talking about how good the action was. TDKR was an action comic book movie. Possibly the hardest thing out there to make believable or realistic. There's only so much you can do to make it feel that way and Nolan did it.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:03 pm to Ash Williams
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i still think Batman: The Animated Series (really glad they pointed that out for us) is better than all of them
I agree. TAS was able to present Gotham's constant threat (as opposed to a few wackos every few years) since it was a series. And the Batman character was allowed to soak a lot more. If he felt like brooding, then he was damn well going to brood.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:11 pm to sicboy
quote:i understand that..... But the acting was terrible.
Isn't that part of Bruce Wayne though? He has to fake it in the social circle and being a dick
Exactly. Wasn't there a line from Alfred about that in BB? About Bruce Wayne needing to fill that role? It was all an act.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Every action movie out there is trying to be realistic, yet you never hear anybody complain about some of the absurdities in the Bourne or Mission Impossible movies
The key is how far can you stretch the "yeah, right" factor. Its one of those SC pornography things for me, I know it when I see it.
I don't care for the MI movies because I think they take it a bit to far, but I still will watch parts of MI1. I haven't seen all of any of the Bourne movies, but i saw the end of I guess the 3rd one the other day on TNT and the ending car chase was terrible.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:30 pm to CarRamrod
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i understand that..... But the acting was terrible.
Not really. Bale just dipped into a little Patrick Bateman.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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"Realistic" when we are talking about a an action movie, based on a comic book character, is not meant to be taken 100% literally. To hold it to that standard in order to critique it is a tad disengenous.
But I'm not the one holding it to that standard. Personally, I'm not really a fan of any of the movies, so I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak. However, it seems like Nolan fans keep harping on realistic, realistic, and then brush off naysayers with, well it's a comic book movie, you can't expect ___. That, to me, sounds disingenuous.
I get what you're saying with verisimilitude, but then I think that raises the notion of Burton's interpretation being so different, that the realistic argument does not hold water. Perhaps the use of "realistic" is not the proper description to justify Nolan's intepretation over Burton's.
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You can think the Burton movies are better than the Nolan ones, or course you can also think Justin Bieber is better than than Rolling Stones if you like.
Meh, I think Burton has pretty firmly established himself as a serious artist. You're entitled to not like certain of his works, but this analogy is taking it a little too far IMO.
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