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Zach Lowe: The Miami Heat and the NBA’s Double Standard of ‘Sacrifice’
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:43 pm
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
They opted out on their own. Miami would have had birds rights. This guy wrote a shifty article.
They also chose this position themselves
They also chose this position themselves
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:10 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I don't agree with Lowe at all here
ETA: I should note that I'm against max contracts. The market should decide what a player is worth
ETA: I should note that I'm against max contracts. The market should decide what a player is worth
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:26 pm to Mr.Perfect
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This guy wrote a shifty article.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's a shitty article.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:13 am to Boom Angry
quote:he said it was shifty not shitty
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's a shitty article.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:24 am to Fearthehat0307
can't tell which one he meant. Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:29 am to Melvin
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ETA: I should note that I'm against max contracts. The market should decide what a player is worth
This X10000000
Max deals and everything else in the new CBA were supposed to create a more competitive and profitable league for everyone. But that is not the case. Now you have two players that can control your entire league. I know the MLB and NFL are much larger and there is more money, but seeing how things are going just is stupid.
1. No more lottery at the very least just a straight up draft order based off of record/finish.
2. 16 team playoff no more divisions or conferences.
3. Make it to where international players that have played professionally do not go through the draft but in a bid or acquisition method.
4. No more max deals, or any limits to player years. Let the market dictate the price, that way a smaller market team truly has a chance if they want to offer a Lebron $35 million a year and Miami does not want to match it to stay competitive it is the player's decision.
5. Extend the NBA draft to 3 rounds and make every team have a DL affiliate. Improves the level of play in the long run. Make the draft rule straight out of high school or 3 years.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:31 am to rzd30
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4. No more max deals, or any limits to player years. Let the market dictate the price, that way a smaller market team truly has a chance if they want to offer a Lebron $35 million a year and Miami does not want to match it to stay competitive it is the player's decision.
Unfortunately, the owners need to be protected from themselves. The NBA is lucky not to have any Pujols/ARod contracts.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:33 am to rzd30
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3. Make it to where international players that have played professionally do not go through the draft but in a bid or acquisition method.
LA and NY love this approach
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:09 am to someoldhussy
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LA and NY love this approach
NBA would be different than the MLB. Much harder to predict how an overseas basketball player will perform in the NBA than an overseas baseball player in the MLB.
In regards to owners wanting to protect themselves from their own doing, that hurts responsible owners.
If an owner wants to bring Andrea Barganiani over and pay him $10 million a year. So be it but don't punish other owners for their mistake.
As it is now their is no "market". Players are basically slotted into values the minute they come into the league. Even large market teams are finding it harder and harder like Dallas or Atlanta.
The NBA has almost become unbearable to watch or even talk about it. Yes the goal is always a championship but fans no longer care whether a team makes the playoffs, thanks to people like Bill Simmons a 4 seed or lower no longer matters because only 3 or 4 teams at best have a shot at winning the championship. So the other 26 teams and that would be his theory should every year just absolutely tank it, until in 3 years they have a similar core to Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden.
Personally I am a Pelicans fan and recently bought two season tickets this year. I am in college in New Orleans and been a lifelong New Orleans basketball fan. Because of the moves they made and the team they have assembled, I would be okay with a playoff team. I know we are not going to win a championship this year. But would rather support a team that respects me enough as a fan to not tank it.
Filing basketball bankruptcy and choosing to actually tell your fans, hey we are going to lose on purpose for 2-3 years stick with us, well that is great only problem is 7-8 other teams are doing it.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 2:13 am to SwaggerCopter
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Unfortunately, the owners need to be protected from themselves. The NBA is lucky not to have any Pujols/ARod contracts.
The NBA has a salary cap though so they won't be giving out $200MM contracts like they're pocket change
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:00 am to rzd30
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Max deals and everything else in the new CBA were supposed to create a more competitive and profitable league for everyone. But that is not the case. Now you have two players that can control your entire league. I know the MLB and NFL are much larger and there is more money, but seeing how things are going just is stupid.
Actually only 3 or 4 teams lost money last year.
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1. No more lottery at the very least just a straight up draft order based off of record/finish.
That would encourage even more teams to tank. But I do agree the draft needs a bit of fixing.
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2. 16 team playoff no more divisions or conferences.
No more divisions are fine but don't know about conferences.
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3. Make it to where international players that have played professionally do not go through the draft but in a bid or acquisition method.
On the fence but I see the logic
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4. No more max deals, or any limits to player years. Let the market dictate the price, that way a smaller market team truly has a chance if they want to offer a Lebron $35 million a year and Miami does not want to match it to stay competitive it is the player's decision.
On the fence about this as well.
I wouldn't mind a franchise tag though.
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5. Extend the NBA draft to 3 rounds and make every team have a DL affiliate. Improves the level of play in the long run. Make the draft rule straight out of high school or 3 years.
I could get behind this.
They'll probably start with a 2 or high school though.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:26 am to Mr.Perfect
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They opted out on their own. Miami would have had birds rights.
pretty sure miami has bird's rights
but they can't sign all 3 AND improve the roster unless they come in under the cap, b/c the team needs that gap b/w their salaries and the salary cap to sign that help
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:33 am to Cap Crunch
quote:It's funny how the new CBA tried to stop the whole super team thing, when in reality, this would be the best way to do it.
ETA: I should note that I'm against max contracts. The market should decide what a player is worth
If you keep the salary cap but do away with max contracts, guys would have to make some serious decisions, and the Super Team thing would be much harder to pull off, not that that is necessarily the best thing for the NBA though.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 7:34 am
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:36 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:While true, does anyone know if the max contract thing is in place due to the owners or the players?
Unfortunately, the owners need to be protected from themselves
While no max would help the elite players and be the most fair way to do business, the max contract deals do help the lesser players and majority of players in general.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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but they can't sign all 3 AND improve the roster unless they come in under the cap, b/c the team needs that gap b/w their salaries and the salary cap to sign that help
Actually, they need them all to come in over the cap so that they can use they exceptions that they agreed to sign Granger and McRoberts into. Otherwise, they'll have to use cap space to sign them and they lose the MLE.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:51 am to JohnnyKilroy
Oh boo fricking hoo Zach Lowe. These players have to decide between rigging the league or taking a ton of money? What a joke.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:03 am to ShamelessPel
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These players have to decide between rigging the league or taking a ton of money?
Pretty much. If the owners did anything similar, it would be considered collusion.
They should at least increase the amounts of max contracts.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:04 am to shel311
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does anyone know if the max contract thing is in place due to the owners or the players?
The players, I would imagine. The NBPA would rather have a couple dozen top-tier players be limited in terms of their compensation than have the bulk of their mid-low tier guys take a hit. With no max contracts, the owners would still be protected from themselves by a hard cap anyway.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:08 am to brgfather129
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oes anyone know if the max contract thing is in place due to the owners or the players?
The players,
False.
Kevin Garnett's 6/126 contract in 98 triggered the 98/99 lockout. Owners pushed hard for max salaries. Ewing was the president of the players' union. He did not want them, but rank and file did. I think they agreed to max salaries, but got the 57/43 BRI split in that negotiation.
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With no max contracts, the owners would still be protected from themselves by a hard cap anyway
It's not about that. It's about players having $$$ to rival owners. If you're paying LeBron $40-$50M a year, he is no longer an employee but an equal.
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