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re: Would Tyson have gone down as the greatest heavyweught ever if Cus hadn't died?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:27 pm to bamarep
Posted on 8/11/17 at 5:27 pm to bamarep
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Would Lewis have won? Probably because of his length of nothing else but Tyson damn sure had a better than average chance.
I think prime Tyson would have won, remember Lewis lost his title when he got knocked out by a crackhead.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:28 pm to udtiger
Buster was not hitting cus d'amato.
Tyson is not the only big hitter to catch one and disappear from center stage.
Sonny liston.
Grady hatton
Grady hatton massacred the champ with intensity and power. But he was knocked out soon enough.
Tyson is not the only big hitter to catch one and disappear from center stage.
Sonny liston.
Grady hatton
Grady hatton massacred the champ with intensity and power. But he was knocked out soon enough.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 6:34 pm to CelticDog
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Buster was not hitting cus d'amato
Clearly you don't know what a shitshow Team Tyson was leading up to and during that fight
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I just watched a replay of that fight last week. Even in the prefight the announcers were saying how disinterested Tyson looked and how it appeared he didn't even want to be there, before the first bell to start the fight. Man, was that some premonition. Buster was game that night and fought well but that was not the Mike Tyson we had seen before. He was a mess.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:19 pm to udtiger
Uh, Cus dying wasn't the crux...Cus died and Tyson then went on to dominate and win the Heavyweight title.
Regardless of Cus, Tyson was already a mess...trying to rape Teddy Atlas' 10 year old daughter...Atlas put a gun to Tyson's head and quit.
Tyson lost the guy that was making him the technician that he was in his early fights.
And Tyson would never have been viewed as the greatest heavyweight ever because of the tomato cans he fought and the terrible era he was in.
But if he hadn't met Don King...not Cus dying...Don King Tyson might have had a more impressive resume and opinion with the public who saw him get exposed and then crumble from then on out and then everyone re-evaluated his earlier career.
Regardless of Cus, Tyson was already a mess...trying to rape Teddy Atlas' 10 year old daughter...Atlas put a gun to Tyson's head and quit.
Tyson lost the guy that was making him the technician that he was in his early fights.
And Tyson would never have been viewed as the greatest heavyweight ever because of the tomato cans he fought and the terrible era he was in.
But if he hadn't met Don King...not Cus dying...Don King Tyson might have had a more impressive resume and opinion with the public who saw him get exposed and then crumble from then on out and then everyone re-evaluated his earlier career.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:25 pm to udtiger
I don't think anyone will pass Ali up because of how big of a cultural icon he was.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:40 pm to Angrybritches
Cus let Tyson get away with whatever he wanted because he saw Tyson as his last chance to make a champion.
Cus did no favors for Tyson in being mature and not self-destructive...
What Tyson was taught early on - that actions don't have consequences - is what made Tyson fall from the top...and with or without Cus, that doesn't change because it was already taught to him.
Cus did no favors for Tyson in being mature and not self-destructive...
What Tyson was taught early on - that actions don't have consequences - is what made Tyson fall from the top...and with or without Cus, that doesn't change because it was already taught to him.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Jacobs dying was the more crushing thing as it allowed Don King to come in and control the life and people around Tyson.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:53 pm to SoDakHawk
I forget the exact story but apparently he partied in Japan all week and the guys running his corner were complete clowns who had no clue what they were doing during the fight
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 8:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Right. Just read it in this thread, thanks.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 8:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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.trying to rape Teddy Atlas' 10 year old daughter...Atlas put a gun to Tyson's head and quit.
What the hell is this about? Link?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:08 pm to CapperVin
It was a relative of Teddys wife, she was 11. Tyson was 15 at the time. Not sure if could be called an attempted rape, but he was trying to get a bj. Tyson talks about in his book.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:12 pm to udtiger
No, Lennox would have destroyed him.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:16 pm to CelticDog
Brewster against W. Klitschko.
No one was knocked Brewster out that night. Wlad literally punched himself out tatooing Brewster's forehead and just fell over.
No one was knocked Brewster out that night. Wlad literally punched himself out tatooing Brewster's forehead and just fell over.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:17 pm to udtiger
robin givens mind fricked him good. Her and her Mother got into his dome good.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:18 pm to TigerintheNO
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I think prime Tyson would have won, remember Lewis lost his title when he got knocked out by a crackhead.
But absolutely destroyed Tua who was supposed to be a Tyson clone...and let's not forget the dismantling of Tyson later. Lennox is an overall superior athlete and more technically sound boxer. Steward > D'Amato
ETa: Lewis V Tua People forget how fricking good the OX was.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:31 pm to udtiger
His marriage to robin givens had screwed up tyson's head.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:41 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
You are comparing Tyson to David Tua?
Who was Tua best victory? Rahman, whose only noteable win was against Lewis.
That would be like comparing Lewis to Tyrell Briggs because he was tall.
Who was Tua best victory? Rahman, whose only noteable win was against Lewis.
That would be like comparing Lewis to Tyrell Briggs because he was tall.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:47 pm to TigerintheNO
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You are comparing Tyson to David Tua?
That comparison isn't an original. Everyone was comparing Tua and Tyson back then.
Lewis avenged all his losses. And would have worked Tyson just like he did Tua. He was a better, larger athlete. Had devastating power, command of the ring, and a decent chin -- despite what people said after the McCall and Rahman loss. Could Tyson have caught him, but I say Lennox wind 4/5 matches.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:51 pm to TigerintheNO
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I think prime Tyson would have won, remember Lewis lost his title when he got knocked out by a crackhead.
No way. Tyson also got knocked out by a mental case who gained about 500 pounds and quit the sport because he hated it after knocking out Tyson.
Once the fear of Tyson was puliverized and evaporated...he was done. That fight with Lennox was pathetic...Tyson had no reach, couldn't touch him...a year more in the gym isn't going to change that.
Tyson was a bully - and once the bully got socked in the mouth, everyone else could beat his arse too. I believe when Rooney and Atlas - his trainers say that Tyson was all about intimidation...with a scared little kid inside and if he couldn't knock you out in the first few rounds, he'd quit...because he wasn't the best boxer.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:52 pm
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