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re: Would Paterno be alive today had the scandal not broken?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:29 pm to BilJ
Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:29 pm to BilJ
The way his coaching career ended, the scrutiny over the scandal and the cancer treatments broke his will to live. He had a good life and finally said enough. He wanted to go!
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:32 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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the fact that he could be alive and also that he would probably have been perfectly happy knowing he could have stopped Sandusky from doing what he did to those kids.
does not compute.
JoePa didn't do anything about Sandusky for nearly 10 years. McQueary told him about the shower rape in 2002 and JoePa didn't do a damn thing about it. Who knows if he knew about it before 2002. JoePa's otherwise spotless legacy will be forever tarnished because he put his football program over the safety of children.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:44 pm to LSUnowhas2
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JoePa didn't do anything about Sandusky for nearly 10 years. McQueary told him about the shower rape in 2002 and JoePa didn't do a damn thing about it. Who knows if he knew about it before 2002. JoePa's otherwise spotless legacy will be forever tarnished because he put his football program over the safety of children.
He could have pushed the authorities to investigate and forbidden Sandusky from being on campus in the facilities for Any reason, etc. BUT Jo Pa did report it to the Police and discussed it with them...at that point, there is no indication he was trying to cover up anything. He and oters, though, are culpable for not pressing the issue after the initial reporting, etc.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:49 pm to LSUandAU
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He could have pushed the authorities to investigate and forbidden Sandusky from being on campus in the facilities for Any reason, etc. BUT Jo Pa did report it to the Police and discussed it with them...at that point, there is no indication he was trying to cover up anything. He and oters, though, are culpable for not pressing the issue after the initial reporting, etc.
Exactly. At Penn State if Joe Pa said jump the answer would be "How high?" I just have a hard time even imagining that someone comes to you after witnessing a rape in the shower of your team's locker room and that the alleged perpetrator is your former DC that still has access to all of the team's facilities and all you do is report it to the police!?!?!
Posted on 1/24/12 at 5:04 pm to LSUnowhas2
Had he pushed the authorities and Sandusky in 2002 and blown-it-open, it could have saved more kids...then retired as Coach in 2004-2006, he would have been a legend for all the right reasons (Great Coach, mentor of young men, philanthropist, ethical/moral courage, etc). He blew it and was allowed to usurp too much influence around there.
The victims are many kids apparently, but also thousands of employees, coaches, friends of his, families,the entire community.......
The victims are many kids apparently, but also thousands of employees, coaches, friends of his, families,the entire community.......
Posted on 1/24/12 at 5:54 pm to LSUnowhas2
quote:You know, people and sports pundits have been saying this for a while now. Some have even gone as far as to call him "the most powerful man in Pennsylvania". Obvioulsy, given the extremley humbling way he was fired, this was not the case. JoePa was not as omniscient as people seem to think.
At Penn State if Joe Pa said jump the answer would be "How high?"
Posted on 1/24/12 at 6:56 pm to alajones
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JoePa was not as omniscient as people seem to think.
I lived in State College for 5 years and I can tell you this much... If you asked 100 fans how much power Joe had 50 of them would say very little. The thinking was that he was losing control of the team (several brawls/fights) and he was just a figurehead coach. Others thought he was still sharp as a tact and in control of everything. I don't think he was as powerful as everyone thought he was. Otherwise some of these drunk driving charges, fights etc would have never made it to the news the 5 years I was there.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 7:11 pm to siliconvalleytiger
no way, lung cancer is lung cancer regardless of whether or not this situation broke out.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 7:24 pm to SpartyGator
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Would Paterno be alive today had the scandal not broken?
No and it's ridiculous and a little insulting to his fsmily to think so.
The man had his wife, 5 kids, and 17 grand kids. As much as he loved football he had other things to live for.
Lung cancer, and probably the chemo, is what killed him. Not a lack of will to live
Posted on 1/24/12 at 7:30 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Yes he would be alive today. No doubt in my mind.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 7:37 pm to LSUandAU
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The way his coaching career ended, the scrutiny over the scandal and the cancer treatments broke his will to live. He had a good life and finally said enough. He wanted to go!
I think this is pretty obvious. Stress is a huge factor in life expectancy. It is well documented that stress weakens the immune system and shortens life in general. Many believe that stress can actually cause cancer and/or cause it to develop more rapidly. I wholeheartedly believe that sress can both trigger and cause cancer to develope more rapidly thereby shortening life span.
ETA: From national cancer institute:
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Studies have indicated that stress can affect tumor growth and spread, but the precise biological mechanisms underlying these effects are not well understood. Scientists have suggested that the effects of stress on the immune system may in turn affect the growth of some tumors (7). However, recent research using animal models indicates that the body’s release of stress hormones can affect cancer cell functions directly (8).
So yes, it is EXTREMELY likely the stress of the scandal sped up the death of Paterno, considering the magnitude of the stress as well as Paterno's age.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 8:02 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
so from studies that say "can affect" and "scientists have suggested that" you get EXTREMELY LIKELY 
Posted on 1/24/12 at 8:36 pm to alajones
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I've been saying for years that the only reason he still coached was because he knew he would die if he ever stopped. Like the Bear. Obviously, both deaths are coincidental to their retirements.
He said it too
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“What else would I do?” he said when quizzed about retirement. “I don’t want to die. Football keeps me alive.”
Posted on 1/24/12 at 8:39 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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I've been saying for years that the only reason he still coached was because he knew he would die if he ever stopped. Like the Bear. Obviously, both deaths are coincidental to their retirements.
Bet that sucks for their wives to have to know. That they'd rather work or die than spend time with them?
Its not a matter of not wanting to spend time with them. My father died shortly after his retirement because he essentially lost his purpose in life. Working to support his family was just what he did. Take that away from him and I think he saw himself as just a burden to us.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 12:13 am to siliconvalleytiger
I forgot that Cancer was used to punish our sins. Hell it ate my grandfather alive, I wonder what kids he was poking.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 9:46 am to Jcorye1
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no way, lung cancer is lung cancer regardless of whether or not this situation broke out.
He might not have been around at this time next year, but he would still be alive today. Fighting cancer is more willingness to fight and live than anything else just like rehabbing through sports injuries with a desire to return to greatness. Football was JoePa's soul and when it was taken from him so was the meaning of life as he knew it.
And if you don't feel this way then you have never experienced cancer in your family. I have watched my dad spend a cumulative 2 months in the hospital since late July with inoperable stage 4 pancreatic cancer (one of the worst cancer's to get) and after his first test from treatment the doctors are declaring him a walking miracle because they cannont find any signs of the cancer in the scans.
You cannot fight cancer by saying "cancer is cancer."
Posted on 1/25/12 at 9:53 am to MSMHater
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it had to affect the course of his disease.
I 100% agree with this.
I see hundreds of cancer patients every year, and am spiritually agnostic. But don't underestimate the impact that a positive outlook and support structure can have on the progression and outcomes of ones disease.
He had lung mets, so obviously he has had his primary for a while. But I wouldn't dismiss that the "situation" played a role in his willingness to live, and his body responded.
largely agree
losing his job and the public discussions about his role in the Sandusky case had to be very hard on him emotionally and when someone becomes severely depressed that does have a major effect on their outlook and their physiology
So yes, he might have been more successful in fighting his lung cancer if the last year had gone differently
Posted on 1/25/12 at 12:56 pm to siliconvalleytiger
def arguable.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 1:29 pm to jameison125
It is arguable. I'm not saying he would have lived another 10yrs but this incident sure seemed to speed up the process.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 1:38 pm to siliconvalleytiger
JoePa,during a presser a couple years ago half-jokingly said he would die right after he quit coaching. I don't discount his terrible condition,but a person's will is huge when their grip to life is already tenuous.I've also seen people hang on longer than they probably should until they knew everything was in place.
Just like Johnny died right after June.
Just like Johnny died right after June.
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