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re: Why is Ohio State at 3?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:13 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:13 pm to ballscaster
Rutgers was good?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:18 pm to ballscaster
quote:Damn. That's tough to believe after looking at their schedule.
Opponents' winning %: .537
Opponents' opponents' winning %: .594
The old BCS metric takes twice the former and once the latter and divides by 3. That spits out .556 for UW, which is the 13th best in the country.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:A damning statement of the "eyeball test, no?"
Damn. That's tough to believe after looking at their schedule.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:54 pm to ballscaster
quote:No, not imo. I think it actually strengthens it. I don't think blindly looking at records is a good idea.
A damning statement of the "eyeball test, no?"
Look at OSU's win over Oklahoma. I don't think Oklahoma is anywhere near as good as their record or what people think.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:55 pm to gobuxgo5
Rutgers was 81-58 over 11 years prior to this one; they won eight or more games in seven of those seasons. They were by no means a guaranteed win.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:55 pm to ReauxlTide222
That's silly .. it speaks to the fact that outside the top 5-6 there are big weaknesses with each team
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:55 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:it's way better than not even knowing them.
I don't think blindly looking at records is a good idea.
quote:Irrelevant. Your opinion doesn't score points.
I don't think Oklahoma is anywhere near as good as their record or what people think.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:56 pm to ReauxlTide222
I've been telling people for quite some time that UW should have been a safer bet than Clemson, and the idea that they were on the bubble was horseshite.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:05 pm to slackster
They were on the bubble because the computers had them at #5 behind Michigan going into the final week. Luckily for them, they played and beat Colorado, which was a two-fold victory in that beating Colorado is a true quality win, and their win over the Buffs slightly diminished the quality of Michigan's win over them.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:10 pm to ballscaster
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quote:My opinion scores all the points
Your opinion doesn't score points.
quote:True. You don't think Washington's #13 ranked schedule is a bit high, though? Hell, it isn't like CFB is all that deep this year, maybe it's correct.
it's way better than not even knowing them.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:11 pm to ballscaster
Do you have the record for PSU's opponents and opponent's opponents?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:31 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:It's a math equation. It's neither high nor low. It just is.
You don't think Washington's #13 ranked schedule is a bit high, though?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
I'll just give you the entire country's SOS from my system that I keep for shiggles. My SOS formula uses the golden ratio (in English: one plus the square root of five, divided by two). Multiply your opponents' winning percentage by the golden ratio; add your opponents' opponents' winning percentage to that; divide by the golden ratio plus 1. Washington ends up with the #15 SOS with this metric.
Team Opp % OOW% SOS
1 Alabama 0.620 0.618 0.619
2 Clemson 0.623 0.584 0.608
3 Ohio State 0.617 0.588 0.606
4 Florida State 0.616 0.563 0.596
5 Tennessee 0.626 0.541 0.594
6 Auburn 0.604 0.560 0.587
7 Louisiana State 0.596 0.568 0.585
8 Colorado 0.589 0.571 0.582
9 Penn State 0.578 0.588 0.582
10 Wisconsin 0.575 0.580 0.576
11 Michigan 0.570 0.586 0.576
12 Mississippi 0.591 0.548 0.574
13 Rutgers 0.603 0.498 0.563
14 Southern California 0.548 0.578 0.559
15 Washington 0.537 0.594 0.558
16 Pittsburgh 0.566 0.541 0.557
17 Oregon 0.586 0.505 0.555
18 Florida 0.542 0.575 0.554
19 Vanderbilt 0.563 0.537 0.553
20 Oregon State 0.575 0.514 0.552
21 Oklahoma 0.549 0.545 0.547
22 Missouri 0.573 0.504 0.547
23 Kentucky 0.544 0.548 0.546
24 Syracuse 0.570 0.502 0.544
25 Louisville 0.533 0.561 0.543
26 Texas A&M 0.527 0.570 0.543
27 Wyoming 0.589 0.468 0.543
28 Georgia Tech 0.541 0.538 0.540
29 North Carolina State 0.554 0.516 0.539
30 Georgia 0.527 0.558 0.539
31 Illinois 0.561 0.502 0.539
32 Arkansas 0.527 0.555 0.538
33 Nebraska 0.512 0.574 0.536
34 Minnesota 0.513 0.567 0.534
35 Michigan State 0.542 0.518 0.533
36 California 0.551 0.500 0.532
37 Navy 0.545 0.510 0.532
38 Stanford 0.512 0.563 0.531
39 Maryland 0.530 0.534 0.531
40 Northwestern 0.523 0.538 0.529
41 Mississippi State 0.532 0.521 0.528
42 Washington State 0.504 0.566 0.528
43 Colorado State 0.544 0.497 0.526
44 Arizona State 0.526 0.520 0.524
45 Arizona 0.543 0.490 0.523
46 Oklahoma State 0.518 0.528 0.522
47 Iowa 0.500 0.554 0.521
48 North Carolina 0.505 0.543 0.520
49 UCLA 0.528 0.505 0.520
50 Boise State 0.508 0.533 0.518
51 Virginia Tech 0.496 0.553 0.518
52 Utah 0.491 0.555 0.516
53 Purdue 0.534 0.483 0.515
54 Miami (Florida) 0.509 0.522 0.514
55 Utah State 0.570 0.422 0.514
56 Southern Methodist 0.541 0.469 0.513
57 West Virginia 0.500 0.533 0.513
58 Indiana 0.500 0.533 0.513
59 South Florida 0.486 0.550 0.511
60 Houston 0.500 0.526 0.510
61 South Carolina 0.482 0.549 0.508
62 Memphis 0.495 0.527 0.508
63 Kansas State 0.504 0.506 0.505
64 Duke 0.518 0.472 0.501
65 Texas Christian 0.500 0.501 0.500
66 Temple 0.483 0.525 0.499
67 Kansas 0.531 0.446 0.498
68 Eastern Michigan 0.504 0.488 0.498
69 Boston College 0.487 0.515 0.497
70 Texas Tech 0.504 0.481 0.495
71 Western Kentucky 0.508 0.470 0.494
72 Toledo 0.500 0.482 0.493
73 Wake Forest 0.477 0.517 0.492
74 Central Florida 0.496 0.480 0.490
75 Georgia Southern 0.509 0.458 0.489
76 Bowling Green 0.514 0.445 0.487
77 Kent State 0.504 0.456 0.486
78 East Carolina 0.500 0.463 0.486
79 Western Michigan 0.450 0.543 0.486
80 Central Michigan 0.505 0.455 0.485
81 Appalachian State 0.463 0.520 0.485
82 Air Force 0.459 0.522 0.483
83 Notre Dame 0.484 0.479 0.482
84 Cincinnati 0.505 0.444 0.481
85 Idaho 0.473 0.493 0.481
86 Tulsa 0.450 0.529 0.481
87 Akron 0.500 0.448 0.480
88 Northern Illinois 0.484 0.471 0.479
89 Louisiana-Monroe 0.495 0.451 0.478
90 Baylor 0.464 0.494 0.476
91 Troy 0.455 0.500 0.472
92 Texas 0.463 0.485 0.472
93 Brigham Young 0.432 0.534 0.471
94 Tulane 0.477 0.460 0.471
95 Georgia State 0.491 0.434 0.469
96 Iowa State 0.460 0.478 0.467
97 New Mexico State 0.492 0.423 0.466
98 Texas State 0.487 0.419 0.461
99 Louisiana-Lafayette 0.455 0.468 0.460
100 San Jose State 0.487 0.414 0.459
101 Ohio 0.433 0.497 0.458
102 New Mexico 0.421 0.517 0.458
103 Nevada-Las Vegas 0.452 0.453 0.453
104 Charlotte 0.469 0.426 0.453
105 Hawaii 0.447 0.459 0.452
106 Massachusetts 0.474 0.416 0.452
107 Marshall 0.469 0.422 0.451
108 Virginia 0.431 0.483 0.451
109 South Alabama 0.451 0.450 0.451
110 Fresno State 0.469 0.411 0.447
111 Texas-San Antonio 0.450 0.440 0.446
112 Louisiana Tech 0.439 0.457 0.446
113 Connecticut 0.432 0.463 0.444
114 Ball State 0.446 0.436 0.443
115 San Diego State 0.390 0.527 0.442
116 Southern Mississippi 0.436 0.449 0.441
117 North Texas 0.441 0.431 0.437
118 Old Dominion 0.398 0.475 0.427
119 Middle Tennessee State 0.381 0.488 0.421
120 Miami (Ohio) 0.382 0.484 0.421
121 Rice 0.423 0.406 0.417
122 Florida International 0.407 0.430 0.415
123 Arkansas State 0.352 0.516 0.415
124 Florida Atlantic 0.411 0.404 0.408
125 Army 0.380 0.439 0.403
126 Buffalo 0.380 0.407 0.391
127 Texas-El Paso 0.366 0.401 0.379
128 Nevada 0.325 0.458 0.376
Team Opp % OOW% SOS
1 Alabama 0.620 0.618 0.619
2 Clemson 0.623 0.584 0.608
3 Ohio State 0.617 0.588 0.606
4 Florida State 0.616 0.563 0.596
5 Tennessee 0.626 0.541 0.594
6 Auburn 0.604 0.560 0.587
7 Louisiana State 0.596 0.568 0.585
8 Colorado 0.589 0.571 0.582
9 Penn State 0.578 0.588 0.582
10 Wisconsin 0.575 0.580 0.576
11 Michigan 0.570 0.586 0.576
12 Mississippi 0.591 0.548 0.574
13 Rutgers 0.603 0.498 0.563
14 Southern California 0.548 0.578 0.559
15 Washington 0.537 0.594 0.558
16 Pittsburgh 0.566 0.541 0.557
17 Oregon 0.586 0.505 0.555
18 Florida 0.542 0.575 0.554
19 Vanderbilt 0.563 0.537 0.553
20 Oregon State 0.575 0.514 0.552
21 Oklahoma 0.549 0.545 0.547
22 Missouri 0.573 0.504 0.547
23 Kentucky 0.544 0.548 0.546
24 Syracuse 0.570 0.502 0.544
25 Louisville 0.533 0.561 0.543
26 Texas A&M 0.527 0.570 0.543
27 Wyoming 0.589 0.468 0.543
28 Georgia Tech 0.541 0.538 0.540
29 North Carolina State 0.554 0.516 0.539
30 Georgia 0.527 0.558 0.539
31 Illinois 0.561 0.502 0.539
32 Arkansas 0.527 0.555 0.538
33 Nebraska 0.512 0.574 0.536
34 Minnesota 0.513 0.567 0.534
35 Michigan State 0.542 0.518 0.533
36 California 0.551 0.500 0.532
37 Navy 0.545 0.510 0.532
38 Stanford 0.512 0.563 0.531
39 Maryland 0.530 0.534 0.531
40 Northwestern 0.523 0.538 0.529
41 Mississippi State 0.532 0.521 0.528
42 Washington State 0.504 0.566 0.528
43 Colorado State 0.544 0.497 0.526
44 Arizona State 0.526 0.520 0.524
45 Arizona 0.543 0.490 0.523
46 Oklahoma State 0.518 0.528 0.522
47 Iowa 0.500 0.554 0.521
48 North Carolina 0.505 0.543 0.520
49 UCLA 0.528 0.505 0.520
50 Boise State 0.508 0.533 0.518
51 Virginia Tech 0.496 0.553 0.518
52 Utah 0.491 0.555 0.516
53 Purdue 0.534 0.483 0.515
54 Miami (Florida) 0.509 0.522 0.514
55 Utah State 0.570 0.422 0.514
56 Southern Methodist 0.541 0.469 0.513
57 West Virginia 0.500 0.533 0.513
58 Indiana 0.500 0.533 0.513
59 South Florida 0.486 0.550 0.511
60 Houston 0.500 0.526 0.510
61 South Carolina 0.482 0.549 0.508
62 Memphis 0.495 0.527 0.508
63 Kansas State 0.504 0.506 0.505
64 Duke 0.518 0.472 0.501
65 Texas Christian 0.500 0.501 0.500
66 Temple 0.483 0.525 0.499
67 Kansas 0.531 0.446 0.498
68 Eastern Michigan 0.504 0.488 0.498
69 Boston College 0.487 0.515 0.497
70 Texas Tech 0.504 0.481 0.495
71 Western Kentucky 0.508 0.470 0.494
72 Toledo 0.500 0.482 0.493
73 Wake Forest 0.477 0.517 0.492
74 Central Florida 0.496 0.480 0.490
75 Georgia Southern 0.509 0.458 0.489
76 Bowling Green 0.514 0.445 0.487
77 Kent State 0.504 0.456 0.486
78 East Carolina 0.500 0.463 0.486
79 Western Michigan 0.450 0.543 0.486
80 Central Michigan 0.505 0.455 0.485
81 Appalachian State 0.463 0.520 0.485
82 Air Force 0.459 0.522 0.483
83 Notre Dame 0.484 0.479 0.482
84 Cincinnati 0.505 0.444 0.481
85 Idaho 0.473 0.493 0.481
86 Tulsa 0.450 0.529 0.481
87 Akron 0.500 0.448 0.480
88 Northern Illinois 0.484 0.471 0.479
89 Louisiana-Monroe 0.495 0.451 0.478
90 Baylor 0.464 0.494 0.476
91 Troy 0.455 0.500 0.472
92 Texas 0.463 0.485 0.472
93 Brigham Young 0.432 0.534 0.471
94 Tulane 0.477 0.460 0.471
95 Georgia State 0.491 0.434 0.469
96 Iowa State 0.460 0.478 0.467
97 New Mexico State 0.492 0.423 0.466
98 Texas State 0.487 0.419 0.461
99 Louisiana-Lafayette 0.455 0.468 0.460
100 San Jose State 0.487 0.414 0.459
101 Ohio 0.433 0.497 0.458
102 New Mexico 0.421 0.517 0.458
103 Nevada-Las Vegas 0.452 0.453 0.453
104 Charlotte 0.469 0.426 0.453
105 Hawaii 0.447 0.459 0.452
106 Massachusetts 0.474 0.416 0.452
107 Marshall 0.469 0.422 0.451
108 Virginia 0.431 0.483 0.451
109 South Alabama 0.451 0.450 0.451
110 Fresno State 0.469 0.411 0.447
111 Texas-San Antonio 0.450 0.440 0.446
112 Louisiana Tech 0.439 0.457 0.446
113 Connecticut 0.432 0.463 0.444
114 Ball State 0.446 0.436 0.443
115 San Diego State 0.390 0.527 0.442
116 Southern Mississippi 0.436 0.449 0.441
117 North Texas 0.441 0.431 0.437
118 Old Dominion 0.398 0.475 0.427
119 Middle Tennessee State 0.381 0.488 0.421
120 Miami (Ohio) 0.382 0.484 0.421
121 Rice 0.423 0.406 0.417
122 Florida International 0.407 0.430 0.415
123 Arkansas State 0.352 0.516 0.415
124 Florida Atlantic 0.411 0.404 0.408
125 Army 0.380 0.439 0.403
126 Buffalo 0.380 0.407 0.391
127 Texas-El Paso 0.366 0.401 0.379
128 Nevada 0.325 0.458 0.376
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