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re: Why do Americans tolerate socialist, monopolistic sports leagues?
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:59 pm to sassyLSU
Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:59 pm to sassyLSU
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its capitalism.
monopolies are, by definition, enemies of capitalism.
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its a compromise between the labor union and the billionaire boys club.
Well #1 If it were up to me i would abolish all the players unions as well but #2 Why should the players unions speak for future players considering the unions objectives are naturally going to be opposed to the interests of those future players?
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Posted on 4/11/15 at 10:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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that's not a viable alternative and you know it
The Canadian Football League exists, as well. I'm not saying that these are ideal alternatives, but they do exist.
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#1 "The NFL", according to the Supreme Court, is not a single entity.
I wasn't aware of this, until this thread. That being said, is the NFL's monopoly being protected by the government? If not, it's up to someone else to create competition.
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#2 Am I to take it that you would be okay with my engineer or lawyer hypothetical?
Of course not. I see no reason why every company, in their respective fields, would collude and institute a draft, as that would be counterproductive. If that were to happen, though, nothing is stopping competition from sprouting up (assuming the government isn't facilitating the monopoly).
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:02 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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That being said, is the NFL's monopoly being protected by the government?
The NFL is protected under anti-trust law so yes, it is.
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Of course not.
So you're okay with it when it's athletes who make a bunch of money but you're not okay with it when the same principles are theoretically applied to white collar professions? Hypocrite much?
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So you're okay with it when it's athletes who make a bunch of money but you're not okay with it when the same principles are theoretically applied to white collar professions? Hypocrite much?
You're putting words into my mouth. I said that it's up to other individuals to create competition. It's not my fault that the NFL excels at what it does and that others can't offer equal or better opportunities.
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The NFL is protected under anti-trust law so yes, it is.
Then that would be a problem. Governments should not be in the business of facilitating monopolies.
This post was edited on 4/11/15 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:06 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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I said that it's up to other individuals to create competition. It's not my fault that the NFL excels at what it does and that others can't offer equal or better opportunities.
Like I said, the NFL's monopoly is protected under federal anti-trust law.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Then that would be a problem. Governments should not be in the business of facilitating monopolies.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You can make the argument monopolies are a product of capitalism.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The government didn't stop the USFL or the XFL from competing with the NFL...
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:12 pm to boosiebadazz
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The government didn't stop the USFL or the XFL from competing with the NFL...
no but it does give the NFL even more competitive advantages than it would already have just by virtue of being the 100 year old league.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 11:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
There's your crony capitalism, but it still doesn't mandate Jameis Winstom has to play in a certain league.
The government simply tolerates more overt collusion than it would in another industry. But hey, crony capitalism is one of the foundations of this great nation
The government simply tolerates more overt collusion than it would in another industry. But hey, crony capitalism is one of the foundations of this great nation
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Wrong, the NFL is a non-profit and pays no taxes. Dallas is the company.
You do understand not for profits still file articles of incorporation, right?
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:01 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
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socialist
The fans own the means of production?
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monopolistic
We are forced to accept the established leagues?
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Artificial limits on employee salaries
Determined by private parties?
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limits on employee movement
Determined by private parties?
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even conscription via the "draft" system
Forced against their will?
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Why?
frick off.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:The NFL has welcomed competition.
hy do Americans tolerate socialist, monopolistic sports leagues?
They just keep winning.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
I hope this is a trolling thread because if not....
This post was edited on 4/12/15 at 12:28 am
Posted on 4/12/15 at 12:37 am to kilo
My overlysimplified and dumb opinion.
More competitive = more fans = more money for all.
Sounds capitalist.
More competitive = more fans = more money for all.
Sounds capitalist.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 1:14 am to theGarnetWay
Posted on 4/12/15 at 1:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Yet it's not only accepted it's championed by many. Why?
because sports fans are not rational thinkers. Some of it is due to historical and cultural connections with teams.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 1:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Artificial limits on employee salaries, limits on employee movement and even conscription via the "draft" system. It's an afront to the free market and completely un-American. Yet it's not only accepted it's championed by many. Why?
it's a very valid and thought out question and from the first page of replies you're not getting dick for good responses.
I think people put up with it because it gives them what they want. frick how the meat gets made, just give me the meat.
Posted on 4/12/15 at 1:52 am to LfcSU3520
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it's a very valid and thought out question
You think that Tigerdroppings.com is the first place this "valid and thought out question" has been proposed and worked through?
Posted on 4/12/15 at 2:16 am to kilo
great point
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