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re: Who are the front runners to get Hard Knocks this year?

Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:26 pm to
Yea that's what I thought. The poster above said teams can't, which made me look up the new ruling.

Teams can decline. If every team in the nfl declines, then the league steps in and picks a team. And they have to do it.

Could just be me, but forcing a team to do something they don't want to do wouldn't make for good tv. Especially when this something is having cameras and crews in the locker room, at meetings, practices, at home, etc following everyone around that doesn't want them to be there. I imagine a lot of people would act like James Harrison did last year on Hard Knocks.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:42 pm to
I heard before the draft that the Giants,Steelers & Vikings were thefront runner. Then, the NFL came in and tried to play that off as false news.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:50 pm to
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That team has to allow it and agree to it. And most of the teams turn them down.


That is BS!

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Wait... Since when can't teams decline??

Edit: just looked at rule. Teams can still decline. But if no team says they want to do it or will do it, then the league picks a team and they have to do it.



IDK but Bruce Arians is ALWAYS bitching about it on the radio out here saying he hopes they never get forced into doing it and that you cannot decline if the NFL says you have to do it. He says he is 99% sure no team is going to volunteer anymore so from now on it will all be teams that are forced to do it.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 7:53 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:02 pm to
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That is BS!


No it's my. You're a little confused on the rule. Teams can decline doing hard knocks. If every team does decline, then the nfl chooses the team and forces you to do it. And that won't last long anyways. I mean think about it. Forcing teams to have cameras, crews, producers, etc all in the locker room and meetings and at their homes. Forcing grown men to be on a TV show that they don't wanna do?

And there is usually always 1 team willing to do it.

Like I said, forcing a team to do something they don't want to do wouldn't make for good tv. Especially when this something is having cameras and crews in the locker room, at meetings, practices, at home, etc following everyone around that doesn't want them to be there. Teams just act like they don't want the camera crews and stuff in there and that will be the end of Hard Knocks.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 8:03 pm
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:13 pm to
I am just going off what the head coach of The Cardinals says on the radio. He comes on to be interviewed a couple of times a week and almost every time he goes OFF on Hard Knocks saying what BS it is that they can force any team to do it blah blah blah. He might be totally wrong but if he is someone should tell him, it would lower his blood pressure at least 10 points!
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:15 pm to
Double post, stupid internet!
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 8:17 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:53 pm to


Well most of the teams would decline. But there are a few that would do it. I think Arians is pissed because if everyone declines, then the nfl chooses a team and that team is forced to do it. Which is total bs and I would be just as pissed as Arians is. That's not right. You can't force grown men to be on a tv show if they don't want to do it.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:51 pm to
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Teams cannot decline


They certainly can. NFL teams don't work for HBO

Historically, most teams with any new controversy will distance themselves as far as possible from their entire preseason being interrupted by a tv show. It's not really a difficult concept, teams like the rams already have too much going on to deal without the extra pressure of being nationally broadcast.

See the saints after the bounty scandal
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:17 pm to
But there is some sort of rule now for it. If every team in the NFL declines Hard Knocks, then the commissioner will force a team to do it. But doubt that lasts long.
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:26 pm to
I understand that but I can't see it being forced on a team like the rams this year or saints post bounty gate. I would imagine the team that is forced to participate after everyone declined would be well established with minimal controversy plus a few characters.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:33 pm to
Rams are supposedly one of the teams they would consider if every team declines.

And I think there are some stipulations about who can be selected. I think if you have a new head coach or make the postseason 2 years in a row you won't be selected. Not really the well established teams, but the teams that are decent or on the rise.

And I des thnk the nfl will select the rams because if Michael Sam. Saints post bounty? Not so much. They want the nfl to look good on the show.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:35 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:36 pm to
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And I des thnk the nfl will select the rams because if Michael Sam. Saints post bounty? Not so much. They want the nfl to look good on the show.


Because a practice squad player is a homosexual?
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:39 pm to
Would that make the nfl look good in the eyes of the media, gay community, gay rights activists, etc? Yes.

I mean look at what it's been like since he came out and was drafted. You saw clips of Sam being picked more than you saw Clowney going #1.

It's total bs, but that's the world we live in.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:44 pm to
He's already been drafted. I don't think the gay community or any activists are very involved with Hard Knocks. I get what your saying and understand that it can be forced onto any nfl team, but I think it's bulllshit to try to force that on a team under their current circumstances. It's nfl preseason, not a gay rights rally.

What happens if Sam gets cut? It's a lose-lose situation for them if they were to get selected IMO. Major distraction during preseason over a player that isn't yet fully up to NFL caliber
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:48 pm to
Completely agree.

And if we like it or not, the media eats that shite up. It's a big story to a lot of people. Not to me and couldn't care less, but it gets attention.

I think it's bs to force any team to be on a tv show when they don't want to. Which is why I doubt that will last long. I mean if my team was forced to be on it, I would just act like a dick to the HBO people and make it a shitty show.

Hard knocks days are numbered. If I was them, I would switch over to other sports. Especially basketball where a lot of players and coaches are prima donnas that would love to be on the show. But for football, the shows days are numbered.

Regardless if they are on the show or not, if Sam gets cut it's gonna be big time, and most of it negative. If the Rams are on the show, it at least shows how "accepting" the nfl is towards gay people. Even if he gets cut.

Bottom line is that HBO tries to get the big stories for hard knocks. Most of the prestigious teams decline so they try and find a team that'll make it interesting. If HBO is working with Goodell and they can force a team to do it, you can bet it'll be a team with a big story. Sam is a big story right now.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:53 pm to
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I think it's bs to force any team to be on a tv show when they don't want to.


Yep, I agree and it's complete bullshite.
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