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re: Where would you rank this Warriors team in history?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:29 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:29 am to RLDSC FAN
People tend to overrate anything that happened 10+ years ago. In time people will appreciate just how great this team was.
In the past 20+ years only the '96 Bulls are without a doubt better than this team. I'd probably say '01 Lakers as well. I'd be willing to listen to an argument for the '08 Celtics and '14 Spurs but that's about it.
In the past 20+ years only the '96 Bulls are without a doubt better than this team. I'd probably say '01 Lakers as well. I'd be willing to listen to an argument for the '08 Celtics and '14 Spurs but that's about it.
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:29 am to ReauxlTide222
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At this hour I doubt the thread gains traction but it'll be brought up again, and our opinion will for sure be shite on.
As it rightly should be. It is a shitty opinion.
They won 83 games in an absurd WC, +10 point differential, #1 offense and defense while playing at the fastest pace in the league, and steamrolled through the playoffs.
Y'all are knocking them because they basically had two of their worst shooting games all season in the Finals, while ignoring the 100 other games they played.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:29 am to RLDSC FAN
Lol.
This board is very what have you done for me lately.
This is an unreal team that had a below average finals performance and everyone is saying that they are one of the weakest championship teams in NBA history.
58-0 this season when leading by 15+ at ANY point in a game. That is INSANE. They NEVER allowed a team to comeback from 15 down all season. 15 is not a lot in the NBA (especially at the absurd pace that GS plays at).
This board is very what have you done for me lately.
This is an unreal team that had a below average finals performance and everyone is saying that they are one of the weakest championship teams in NBA history.
58-0 this season when leading by 15+ at ANY point in a game. That is INSANE. They NEVER allowed a team to comeback from 15 down all season. 15 is not a lot in the NBA (especially at the absurd pace that GS plays at).
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:30 am to RTR America
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At this hour I doubt the thread gains traction but it'll be brought up again, and our opinion will for sure be shite on.
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As it rightly should be. It is a shitty opinion.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:33 am to TheWalrus
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Also, I think they avoided the 3 toughest teams for them
I understand the difference between facing great players and facing great teams, but GS defeated the 2nd 3rd and 5th runner up in MVP voting in the playoffs this year. That's nothing to sniff at.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:34 am to JohnnyKilroy
They beat the other 4 members of the All-NBA first team
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:37 am to little billy
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So the NBA was invented in the 90s?
Much harder to compare era's once free agency & salary cap really kicked in. You had some teams in the late 70s through to the early 90s who were loaded with depth on the bench. Outside of trades, the majority of players played their entire career with one franchise. The salary cap has made much harder to have quality depth on your bench outside of being an up & coming team filled with younger guys on lesser contracts.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:39 am to RTR America
I don't think the WC was absurd.
All 6 Bulls teams beat this GS team....no?
quote:This isn't true. But I get your point and you might be right.
Y'all are knocking them because they basically had two of their worst shooting games all season in the Finals, while ignoring the 100 other games they played.
All 6 Bulls teams beat this GS team....no?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:42 am to RTR America
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it rightly should be. It is a shitty opinion.
They won 83 games in an absurd WC, +10 point differential, #1 offense and defense while playing at the fastest pace in the league, and steamrolled through the playoffs.
Y'all are knocking them because they basically had two of their worst shooting games all season in the Finals, while ignoring the 100 other games they played.
This guy gets it
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:45 am to ReauxlTide222
Good heavens...this is ridiculous. They are easily in the top half since I've been alive.
Their depth, in particular, is almost unmatched in recent memory. Their highest-paid player rode the pine throughout most of the playoffs, and yet they never had a series go past six games coming out of one of the best conferences I can ever remember.
Their depth, in particular, is almost unmatched in recent memory. Their highest-paid player rode the pine throughout most of the playoffs, and yet they never had a series go past six games coming out of one of the best conferences I can ever remember.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:47 am to 504Voodoo
Over a 6 game stretch, we could barely distiguish who their best player way.
Call me a pussy for asking this all you want. But do you think that if Kyrie and Love were healthy that GS would have won this series? 4-2 4-3? If you think it would have been close or like me, if you think that Cle would have won, then you think Cle would have been an all-time great team as well.
Do you not think one of these last Heat teams would have won this series?
Call me a pussy for asking this all you want. But do you think that if Kyrie and Love were healthy that GS would have won this series? 4-2 4-3? If you think it would have been close or like me, if you think that Cle would have won, then you think Cle would have been an all-time great team as well.
Do you not think one of these last Heat teams would have won this series?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:48 am to ReauxlTide222
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I don't think the WC was absurd.
The Spurs were the 6 seed. The 8th seed featured arguably the 3rd best player in the league.
Stop being dumb.
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This isn't true. But I get your point and you might be right
What about it isn't true? Everyone who knocks the Warriors is basing it on two of their worst offensive performances of the season.
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All 6 Bulls teams beat this GS team....no?
I don't know. It is nearly impossible to compare teams from then and now. They play so differently.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:49 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Top half?
Good heavens...this is ridiculous. They are easily in the top half since I've been alive
Top paid player rode the bench? Do you really need to see the money that was in suits for the Cavs? I might be horribly wrong here....but you are doing a horrible job proving it.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:50 am to ReauxlTide222
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No amount of stats could convince me that this Warriors team is a top 10 GOAT. My post history will have me fighting an uphill battle of whether I'm being salty or not but IMO they aren't even close.
I agree with you that they may not be one of the Top 5-10 greatest for one simple reason. They struggled against Lebron and friends. Lebron could have done an event with NBA Cares where he picks a bunch of underprivileged,scrappy street ball players from Cleveland, and the outcome would have been pretty much the same.
All hyperbole aside, I think that they are a historically great team, but their Finals experience really hurt them once they got there. That'll really hurt them because of the "eyeball test". Between Steve Kerr being still green as a coach and the overall inexperience of the Warriors, what they did this year was special. They just faced an all-time great player playing out of his mind. If Lebron has any help, there aren't many teams that can beat a team where he's putting up those numbers AND isn't the only player to guard.
I don't know where I'd rank them because some of the teams mentioned were special, but I do believe we'll look back at them as great and this Finals series as a special one after time has passed and people's emotions aren't as intense.
It sucks that they had to ruin the storybook season for Lebron because I really wanted to see him redeem himself in such an awesome fashion. That's the way it goes, though. Seahawks are in perfect position and throw a pick to lose the Super Bowl. Patriots go 16-0 and lose because David Tyree's helmet enjoys a good underdog story. I'm salty that such a good solo performance by a player carrying a team alone didn't end in Hollywood fashion, but at the end of the day, they were just too good for any solo heroics to beat them in a best of 7.
I think this series ended with each party being validated by the other. I think that Lebron playing the way he did and carrying his team to Game 6 against this team was legendary and solidifies his place as one of the absolute greatest players of all time (if he that wasn't solidified already). I also think the Golden State coming behind to win the title against that type of performance without any real experience showed that they were a great team. Again, I don't know where I'd rank them, but I don't think the Finals alone invalidate what they did as a team. It's like saying the 91-92 Bulls weren't a great team because it took 6 games to close out a Trailblazers team lead by Drexler with Kersey and Porter bringing up the rear. The NBA Finals are supposed to be close.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 12:51 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:51 am to ReauxlTide222
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if Kyrie and Love were healthy
IMO, this series doesn't go more than 5....
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:52 am to ReauxlTide222
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we could barely distiguish who their best player way.
The Cavs clearly could because they played 4 on 3 majority of the time because how much attention they focused on Steph.
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But do you think that if Kyrie and Love were healthy that GS would have won this series?
Yes. With Love and Kyrie they are a better team, but they also play right in to the Warrior's hands. The Iso LeBron stuff worked so well because it completely slowed down the pace. Once the Warriors figured out how to get the pace back up they killed the Cavs.
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Do you not think one of these last Heat teams would have won this series?
No
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:52 am to ReauxlTide222
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Top paid player rode the bench? Do you really need to see the money that was in suits for the Cavs? I might be horribly wrong here....but you are doing a horrible job proving it
A bit of a difference in benching your highest paid player compared to having two of them forced to the bench with injuries.
Put it this way - were they ever really challenged?
Edit to add: Two teams got really physical with them. They took a few games to figure it out, but they adapted and swept out series. That's what truly elite teams do.
Cleveland wouldn't have been nearly as physical with a healthy Love and Irving, for one. They would have been playing Golden State's game.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 12:56 am
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:52 am to chRxis
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IMO, this series doesn't go more than 5....
Jesus tapdancing christ
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:53 am to ReauxlTide222
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All 6 Bulls teams beat this GS team
Probably but it's a lot closer than some realize. Jordan & Pippen would give Curry & Thompson fits on the perimeters. The crazy thing about this Warriors team is that Klay Thompson doesn't realize how good he can be just yet. He played timid & scared this series & it showed. It reminds me of when the Bulls got Pippen & it took him 3 full seasons before he realized he didn't need play second fiddle to anyone, not even MJ. Thompson needs to wake up & realize he doesn't need to play second fiddle to Curry for Warriors to truly be great.
I'm not sure the Bulls during their run could have handled the early 80s Celtics though. The Celtics bigs Robert Parish & Kevin McHale would have given the Bulls center by committee fits. As great as of perimeter defender Pippen was, he wasn't going to stop Larry Bird.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:54 am to RTR America
quote:Who gives a frick? Absolutely none of that means anything.
The Spurs were the 6 seed. The 8th seed featured arguably the 3rd best player in the league.
quote:The hell? Two of GS's wins had Cle shooting like 32%. What in the world is your argument here? Can't count those 2 horrific games GS played in the NBA Finals because oh boy, they were bad games. What the frick?
What about it isn't true? Everyone who knocks the Warriors is basing it on two of their worst offensive performances of the season.
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I don't know. It is nearly impossible to compare teams from then and now. They play so differently.
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