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Where does Brian Cashman rank among all-time great MLB GMs?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:09 pm
Four World Series victories
Six AL Pennants
12 AL East Division titles
15 Playoff Appearances
Zero losing seasons in 19 years
Six AL Pennants
12 AL East Division titles
15 Playoff Appearances
Zero losing seasons in 19 years
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:10 pm to Bench McElroy
He also had unlimited payroll when they won all those world series
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:11 pm to SuperSaiyanBlue
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He also had unlimited payroll when they won all those World Series
How many World Series have the Dodgers won with their unlimited payroll?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:14 pm to Bench McElroy
Dodgers have only had unlimited payroll since 2013. The Yankees went 9 years between winning WS between 00 and 09 and they spent nearly 3 times as much as the average payroll in that time span which is a bigger gap than what the Dodgers do
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:23 pm to Bench McElroy
Hard to judge him considering his budget
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:23 pm to Bench McElroy
The team he's built right now is looking like they'll have an incredible future.
He wasn't fully responsible for the '90s dynasty. But he, along with Randy Levine, Gene Michael, and others built a combo of home grown guys with solid veterans (sort of like their current 2017 team) that ended up having a great run of success. A lot of that building through the draft was around the time before Steinbrenner was reinstated in 1993.
Cashman has had to deal with same thing with Hal Steinbrenner. It took a lot of convincing to get him on board with this "rebuild."
He wasn't fully responsible for the '90s dynasty. But he, along with Randy Levine, Gene Michael, and others built a combo of home grown guys with solid veterans (sort of like their current 2017 team) that ended up having a great run of success. A lot of that building through the draft was around the time before Steinbrenner was reinstated in 1993.
Cashman has had to deal with same thing with Hal Steinbrenner. It took a lot of convincing to get him on board with this "rebuild."
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:29 pm to SuperSaiyanBlue
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He also had unlimited payroll when they won all those world series
Lots of teams have that same payroll and do nothing.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:31 pm to ssgtiger
Guy has done an unbelievable job of retooling the farm system the last few years and pivoting back to the successful blueprint of homegrown players (Pettite, Jeter, Bernie) vs just throwing tons of money at overpriced and old free agents
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:32 pm to Bench McElroy
He is a pretty shitty GM in my opinion.
He was handed an absolutely stacked team in 98. I guess he gets credit for not fricking it up and winning those first three titles.
In the last 15 years he has 1 championship and only 2 AL Pennants. That was while having by far the highest payroll for most of that time. He has constantly made horrible decisions like giving CC and ARod extensions/raises when it was clear they were regressing. It took him damn near 2 decades to realize he needed to build up the farm system. And then when it looks like he's finally moving toward the future he goes and gives Jacoby Ellsbury a monster deal. That contract could cost them a star in the 2018 class.
Give most of the GMs in baseball his resources and they'd likely give you better results.
He was handed an absolutely stacked team in 98. I guess he gets credit for not fricking it up and winning those first three titles.
In the last 15 years he has 1 championship and only 2 AL Pennants. That was while having by far the highest payroll for most of that time. He has constantly made horrible decisions like giving CC and ARod extensions/raises when it was clear they were regressing. It took him damn near 2 decades to realize he needed to build up the farm system. And then when it looks like he's finally moving toward the future he goes and gives Jacoby Ellsbury a monster deal. That contract could cost them a star in the 2018 class.
Give most of the GMs in baseball his resources and they'd likely give you better results.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:35 pm to BayouBengals03
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wasn't fully responsible for the '90s dynasty
George c brought the winning culture to New York
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:41 pm to SuperSaiyanBlue
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He also had unlimited payroll when they won all those world series
They didn't really utilize it. When the brass started going for big names it started to fall apart. You can't erase all of the middle, but the early part of his tenure and the last 2-3 seasons look pretty good IMO.
Right now he's basically copying what he did during the first run. We'll see how it plays out but the future looks good right now.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:44 pm to BayouBengals03
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Cashman has had to deal with same thing with Hal Steinbrenner. It took a lot of convincing to get him on board with this "rebuild."
Not even just Hal. Levine was to blame to an extent, as were a couple of those in the inner "Steinbrenner circle". Torre touched on it a bit in his book. Cashman made a couple boneheaded moves but a good bit of it was done above his head.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:46 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:59 pm to 1ranter1
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He is a pretty shitty GM in my opinion
Nah.
I've always argued that championships are not something you can "buy." Having an enormous payroll doesn't guarantee that type of success at all, as we've seen.
However, having a large payroll should guarantee you winning seasons, unless you are just a complete shite GM or you have bad injury luck. The Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox should rarely have losing seasons. Which is why the Red Sox finishing dead last three out of four years was so remarkable.
The Yankees should have had a losing season last year, but the young kids played incredible and above their heads. That's part of a rebuild, though. The fact that the Yankees have built their current stacked roster without having a losing season is pretty amazing.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:04 pm to BayouBengals03
This "rebuild" and the kind of success they have in the next 5-7 years will end up proving how good of a GM he is. I think he's very good, but the Yankees have only really won one title with a team he built as GM so it's hard to say that definitively, it's really just my opinion. He also deals with a lot of ownership BS.
I think what he's done over the last couple seasons has set the Yankees up to seriously contend for a long time moving forward
I think what he's done over the last couple seasons has set the Yankees up to seriously contend for a long time moving forward
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Gene Michael should get the credit for building the dynasty from 96-00
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:23 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
The Yankees are set to make a hard run at Bryce Harper after 2018 season.
He wants them and they want him.
51 million comes off the payroll this year(McCann, Sabathia, A-Rod)
Sanchez, Harper, Judge will set them up for years to come.
It will happen.
He wants them and they want him.
51 million comes off the payroll this year(McCann, Sabathia, A-Rod)
Sanchez, Harper, Judge will set them up for years to come.
It will happen.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:43 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
For sure. Cashman was part of that front office that built those teams though so I think he saw and understood the benefits of building internally even then.
Like the poster above said the Yankees have set themselves up to make a few big, targeted acquisitions in free agency in the next couple years that will supplement all their homegrown talent, instead of trying to build an entire contender that way
Like the poster above said the Yankees have set themselves up to make a few big, targeted acquisitions in free agency in the next couple years that will supplement all their homegrown talent, instead of trying to build an entire contender that way
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:24 pm to Bench McElroy
Pretty darn high
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