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What is it realistically going to take to overthrow the NCAA?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:23 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:23 am
What sequence of events will it take to legitimately overthrow this dictatorship?
Their rules are either archaic or pointless, other than academic oversight. No one from the school administrations ever got a chance to vote or agree on the recruiting, eligibility, competition, or scholarship rules. Their existence actually hinders growth of college athletics.
Their rules are either archaic or pointless, other than academic oversight. No one from the school administrations ever got a chance to vote or agree on the recruiting, eligibility, competition, or scholarship rules. Their existence actually hinders growth of college athletics.
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:38 am to forever lsu30
I know this is the "cool kid" frick the man stance, but people like you fail to realize how important the NCAA's feigned appearence of authority is to college football and basketball.
The arguments for abolishing the NCAA are largely true when it comes to every other college sport, but football and basketball would suffer significantly. The majority of D1 football and basketball programs benefit from NCAA oversight, with only the top programs being held back.
The arguments for abolishing the NCAA are largely true when it comes to every other college sport, but football and basketball would suffer significantly. The majority of D1 football and basketball programs benefit from NCAA oversight, with only the top programs being held back.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 12:40 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:41 am to Roger Klarvin
Please let me clarify/add:
I'm not against a governing body. I'm just against what is in place.
There is a far better way to skin this cat & make college athletics even bigger than they are now.
I'm not against a governing body. I'm just against what is in place.
There is a far better way to skin this cat & make college athletics even bigger than they are now.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:10 am to forever lsu30
When Saban retires he'll take over and be the czar of college football. Be patient.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:11 am to forever lsu30
quote:
There is a far better way to skin this cat & make college athletics even bigger than they are now.
I'd like to read some examples if you have a link or your original idea.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 1:12 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:46 am to forever lsu30
Full scale, bloody, armed revolution. We will hang Mark Emmert from whatever the frick the tallest building in Indianapolis is. We'll burn the CFP committee alive. VIVA LA RESTIANCE! VIVA LA REVELUCIÓN!
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:11 am to Teddy Ruxpin
In no particular order here are a few off the top of my head:
1. Unlimited official visits
2. Massive reduction/reformation of "violations" of items for student-athletes, i.e. food, drink, spending money, etc.
3. Allow alcohol sales at all sporting events
4. Reformation of recruiting contact rules: predominantly prevent all student athletes from speaking with college coaches until the mid-way point of their Junior year of HS, while still allowing for #1 upon such time of Junior year. The HS athletic period needs to get back to its purity & not all of this early recruiting crap. The positive results of early recruiting are so minimal & the damaging effects are far reaching.
5. Drug testing/enforcement. No varying punishments for different schools/levels/conferences. Zero tolerance.
6. Common sense in regards to the granting of medical redshirts.
7. Common sense in determining HOME team for playoff series/championships.
I would love to go back to freshman ineligibility for varsity football, spread it across all sports. I'd love for JV college markets to open up. The dollars would be epic.
Also, this would lead to higher GPAs, roster retention, & graduation rates.
1. Unlimited official visits
2. Massive reduction/reformation of "violations" of items for student-athletes, i.e. food, drink, spending money, etc.
3. Allow alcohol sales at all sporting events
4. Reformation of recruiting contact rules: predominantly prevent all student athletes from speaking with college coaches until the mid-way point of their Junior year of HS, while still allowing for #1 upon such time of Junior year. The HS athletic period needs to get back to its purity & not all of this early recruiting crap. The positive results of early recruiting are so minimal & the damaging effects are far reaching.
5. Drug testing/enforcement. No varying punishments for different schools/levels/conferences. Zero tolerance.
6. Common sense in regards to the granting of medical redshirts.
7. Common sense in determining HOME team for playoff series/championships.
I would love to go back to freshman ineligibility for varsity football, spread it across all sports. I'd love for JV college markets to open up. The dollars would be epic.
Also, this would lead to higher GPAs, roster retention, & graduation rates.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:15 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:49 am to forever lsu30
Muskets
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:02 am to forever lsu30
It will require the NFL and NBA not using college athletics exclusively as a farm system.
If there was a "minor league" for football for example, and players got paid. NFL teams would have to draft players from this league, rather than only from college football.
I think it will eventually happen. When it happens the first time, the flood gates will open. Unfortunately for fans of college teams, players like Fournette will opt for the league that pays them for the same injury risk and allows them to enter the draft when they want, rather than waiting.
If there was a "minor league" for football for example, and players got paid. NFL teams would have to draft players from this league, rather than only from college football.
I think it will eventually happen. When it happens the first time, the flood gates will open. Unfortunately for fans of college teams, players like Fournette will opt for the league that pays them for the same injury risk and allows them to enter the draft when they want, rather than waiting.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:20 am to forever lsu30
Most of your ideas would ruin college sports. You need better ideas.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:29 am to airfernando
Tell me why you think this. Otherwise, this is just another baseless post on TD.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:44 am to forever lsu30
quote:I'm pretty sure that rule has nothing to do with The NCAA, unless it applies to on campus vs off campus venues. But they serve alcohol in the suites at Tiger Stadium.
3. Allow alcohol sales at all sporting events
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:46 am to ReauxlTide222
I actually think Saban would be a great administrator one day, doubt he ever considers doing that, but I think he would be very good at it.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:01 am to forever lsu30
man, it's so simple you cannot even grasp it.
the NCAA is an ASSOCIATION. ASSOCIATIONS are voluntary organizations formed by organizations of like purpose (like college sports teams).
ANY school can disassociate at any time. to "overthrow" the NCAA all it would take would be member schools disassociating. the would do this if they feel the association isn't representing them accurately and fairly.
of course, it would be a lot fricking easier for these said unhappy association members to just vote in any changes they want.
imo, you are an idiot for asking this question. individuals, such as yourself, are NOT represented by this association so they can just tell you to frick off anytime they want to.
lastly, have you given any thought to the ramifications of college sports teams NOT coming together and creating an association to act on the behalf of them as a group. you know, shite like rules and stuff.
look up the word "anarchy" and it would give you a clue.
the NCAA is an ASSOCIATION. ASSOCIATIONS are voluntary organizations formed by organizations of like purpose (like college sports teams).
ANY school can disassociate at any time. to "overthrow" the NCAA all it would take would be member schools disassociating. the would do this if they feel the association isn't representing them accurately and fairly.
of course, it would be a lot fricking easier for these said unhappy association members to just vote in any changes they want.
imo, you are an idiot for asking this question. individuals, such as yourself, are NOT represented by this association so they can just tell you to frick off anytime they want to.
lastly, have you given any thought to the ramifications of college sports teams NOT coming together and creating an association to act on the behalf of them as a group. you know, shite like rules and stuff.
look up the word "anarchy" and it would give you a clue.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 am to forever lsu30
quote:
1. Unlimited official visits
2. Massive reduction/reformation of "violations" of items for student-athletes, i.e. food, drink, spending money, etc.
3. Allow alcohol sales at all sporting events
4. Reformation of recruiting contact rules: predominantly prevent all student athletes from speaking with college coaches until the mid-way point of their Junior year of HS, while still allowing for #1 upon such time of Junior year. The HS athletic period needs to get back to its purity & not all of this early recruiting crap. The positive results of early recruiting are so minimal & the damaging effects are far reaching.
5. Drug testing/enforcement. No varying punishments for different schools/levels/conferences. Zero tolerance.
6. Common sense in regards to the granting of medical redshirts.
7. Common sense in determining HOME team for playoff series/championships.
1. Fine the way it is, if they can't narrow there choices to five schools by their senior year. That's a problem.
2.ncaa is already making changes in this, albeit slow, but it's a start.
3. NCAA doesn't prevent this.
4.doesnt bother me, gives the kid more time to decide which schools he wants to visit by his senior year.
5. What, they do pretty straight forward, you fail an ncaa drug test it is a one year ban, no matter what.
6.this should be changed.
7.only matters for baseball and higher seed should be home team.
You can't be serious Clark, want to ban freshman from playing, what is this the 1950's, dumbest thing to ever be proposed and to ever have existed in the first place. O and that rule would absolutely destroy college basketball. And how would it lead to roster retention, football players and baseball players have to stay three years or forbade ball 2 in some cases, basketball you won't see the one and dones and guys who think hey are one and dones, they would just play overseas for a year, why in the hell should they sit out a year for a archaic rule. Also, won't help grad rates either, you good enough you will leave after year 3.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:15 am to forever lsu30
A couple of the major players (i.e., Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) who put the middle finger to the NCAA and disaffiliate with it.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:29 am to forever lsu30
quote:
What sequence of events will it take to legitimately overthrow this dictatorship?
Serious answer? Change will be forced on the sport.
The Jeffrey Kessler antitrust case will decimate the amatuer model, as a judge will completely throw out the concept of not paying players. Due to this result and an unfortunate conflict ADs will have with Title 9 requirements, college football will change into a outright minor league with programs that are loosely affiliated with the schools but controlled 100% by the various booster organizations.
Some programs who are currently competing at a Power 5 level (or trying to) will decide it's not worth the expense to compete in a complete free market for players, and major college football will contract in size. Those who are left over after the decade plus fallout will band together in a new professional organization that won't just be an oversight body, but partially also a conference for pooled media rights and as a way try to work out a deal with the players organization that will form in the wake of losing that lawsuit.
tl:dr When the NCAA is gone you are going to miss it.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:41 am to Grandioso
quote:
A couple of the major players (i.e., Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) who put the middle finger to the NCAA and disaffiliate with it.
nah, a couple of major players won't do it. those schools would be committing athletic suicide. who would play them? athletic contests against them wouldn't count, win or lose.
it appears to me that many people today never took a civics class as I don't think it's a requirement to graduate high school any longer. there are a lot of similarities in associations and our form of government.
the NCAA can be changed. ALL rules, by-laws, etc that are onerous CAN BE CHANGED. of course, the majority of the members would need to agree as to these changes. I think the colleges are represented by their presidents in the NCAA. thus, if the majority of college presidents want to change certain rules or reg.s all they have to do is propose the changes and vote on them.
ain't democracy great.
I agree with the OP that I would like to see some changes made. but I am as sure as i'm alive that some of the changes I want are different than his. perhaps he should find like minded people, organize as a group and petition the appropriate committee of the NCAA to listen to them. it would be a big job but that's how things get done.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:47 am to cardboardboxer
I wish the Federal Govt would cut funding to State Universities unless they join the NCAA. (The only way to give the NCAA any real power.) Then the armature model is enforced by all funds to athletic departments being paid directly to the NCAA. The NCAA keeps 5-10% for administration, then sends a prorated portion (25-30%) to each conference to split amongst the member schools. Schools can also apply to a committee for extra funds to update facilities as necessary.
The remaining 60-65% goes back to the academic side of the universities...you know, to spend on the education that all the people talk about.
Coaches contracts go back to reasonable amounts. Most Title IX issues go away. Facilities are nice, but the arms race of stadiums and facilities no longer takes place. People stop talking about paying athletes, tax payers and students get a break on funding tuition for school. Everybody except the coaches and conferences win.
The remaining 60-65% goes back to the academic side of the universities...you know, to spend on the education that all the people talk about.
Coaches contracts go back to reasonable amounts. Most Title IX issues go away. Facilities are nice, but the arms race of stadiums and facilities no longer takes place. People stop talking about paying athletes, tax payers and students get a break on funding tuition for school. Everybody except the coaches and conferences win.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:53 am to cardboardboxer
quote:
Serious answer? Change will be forced on the sport. The Jeffrey Kessler antitrust case will decimate the amatuer model, as a judge will completely throw out the concept of not paying players. Due to this result and an unfortunate conflict ADs will have with Title 9 requirements, college football will change into a outright minor league with programs that are loosely affiliated with the schools but controlled 100% by the various booster organizations. Some programs who are currently competing at a Power 5 level (or trying to) will decide it's not worth the expense to compete in a complete free market for players, and major college football will contract in size. Those who are left over after the decade plus fallout will band together in a new professional organization that won't just be an oversight body, but partially also a conference for pooled media rights and as a way try to work out a deal with the players organization that will form in the wake of losing that lawsuit. tl:dr When the NCAA is gone you are going to miss it.
this is an amazing post. I can see it being damn accurate. imo, money is killing the big college sports. it's amazing how money changes things.
a lot of questions arise. such as, will fans still follow their alma maters team when the players no longer have to be students and the players organization run the show? I mean how can the LSU Tigers be that when LSU doesn't have shite to do with them. they are truly a professional team now but using LSU's name and facilities? bull shite, they need to pay LSU for those rights.
if the amateur model is decimated, college sports are dead. no more swimming teams, rowing teams, etc, etc. the profit making teams will morph into minor league teams with no college affiliation and yes, we will miss the NCAA.
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