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re: What are yalls thoughts on salary caps in sports?

Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by PrivateJoker
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:12 pm to
That is true about the Yanks. It still bothers me though that they will always have the ability to outbuy anyone though.
Posted by 1fairbank
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:38 pm to
Football would be interesting with one, since it forces owners the choice between a stud WR or an O-Line that can protect a QB, but considering how often having a single stud player can make your team,I'd advise against ever having one.

Baseball probably doesn't need one, Moneyball pretty much proved you can still find quality in cheap players.

A Salary Cap would absolutely skullfrick Soccer, since most of the famous teams thrive because they can buy the best players.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:43 pm to
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The Lakers, Celtics, Mavericks, Heat, and maybe a couple others will run the league since they have all the money. It


They already do. You just listed the past 4 NBA Finals winners.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:43 pm to
Football has a cap.

Soccer would be better with one.

I don't think you actually read Moneyball.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:45 pm to
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Soccer would be better with one.

Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:45 pm to
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Soccer would be better with one.

MLS does because they're young and 'Merican.

Everyone else? Screw that.
Posted by PrivateJoker
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:42 pm to
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They already do. You just listed the past 4 NBA Finals win


Did not notice really. But at least now some teams are running the playoffs.

And the mavericks got there with one player, Dirk. I only mentioned the Mavs because Cuban is loaded. Rich teams will never have to worry.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 3:54 pm to
The Mavs win was an anomaly (only team in 30 years not to win multiple times). Since the 80s only 8 or so teams have won. Huge monopoly.
Posted by PrivateJoker
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:00 pm to
Do you think that removing the cap would not make this worse though?

A cap keeps fantasy teams in check. Spreads talent, and makes general managers and trades so much more interesting. Coaching and scheme can really shine as well.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:21 pm to
Championship counts are not the way to measure competitive balance. The way to measure competitive balance is to look at the variance between to top, middle, and bottom of leagues during regular season play. A well balanced league doesn't have a great deal of variance, while the opposite is true in an unbalanced league.

There is too much randomness in a playoff situation to rely on playoff results to determine competitive balance.

If competitive balance is the reason a league wants a cap, that helps greatly. But the main advantage of a cap is that it allows the owners to maximize their profits while still putting a great product on the field.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:28 pm to
imagine if there was no cap in football.
jerry jones = overspends for every all-pro in the league.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:29 pm to
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Do you think that removing the cap would not make this worse though?


Oh of course. The NFL has the best formula for getting bottom dwellers competitive.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:30 pm to
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Soccer would be better with one.

Nah, soccer has more world class with such a large player pool. It makes Champions League fricking awesome when you have the possibility to have roughly as many as eleven really strong teams (England = 3, Italy = 3, Germany = 2, Spain = 2, France = 1).

Of course, there is definitely a logical opposition to my point by wanting greater variance in league winners and less of gap from the top to the pack. However, I love being able to watch multiple world class players in one match.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:30 pm to
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The way to measure competitive balance is to look at the variance between to top, middle, and bottom of leagues during regular season play.


Only 6 teams have a chance to win the NBA Finals every year. That leaves 24 cities with nothing to cheer about.
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:35 pm to
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That is true about the Yanks. It still bothers me though that they will always have the ability to outbuy anyone though.


Starting this year they are going to have to pay a 50% luxury tax...but they really aren't that far over the cap this year...it's like 178 or 180 million and their salary this year is 208...so they'll pay about 15 million? I think it was just under 20 for last year.

I think you're going to see them under next year. They only have $89 million under contract for 2014...sure they'll sign free agents, but I doubt you'll see many more $160 million contract out of them.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 7:40 pm to
I'm talking within certain leagues. Part of why some clubs struggle in the CL might be because they don't have any real competition in their Scottish Premier League.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:04 pm to
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Part of why some clubs struggle in the CL might be because they don't have any real competition in their Scottish Premier League.

Well, it does not help that the SPL went full retard and demoted Rangers. That has always been a two-team league.

On a domestic stage, a salary cap would be nice. However, I think the European stage trumps that IMO because, for me, it is worth seeing the super clubs battle in the UCL.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:45 pm to
They do not increase parity or impact the quality of play. The only reason for a salary cap is to artificially hold down the earnings of players.

I will say, as a Dallas resident, it ticks me off that the Cowboys find every way possible to squeeze as much money as possible out of its fan base, but are prohibited by rule from reinvesting that money in the team. I don't like the Cowboys, but if they make more than other teams, I don't see why they can't pour the money into making a better team.

I do like revenue sharing, though. That's what hurts baseball. Smaller market teams should refuse to play the Yankees until there is revenue sharing. If the Twins don't show up, there is no game. The Yankees should get a larger cut if its local media deals, but the rest of the league does give it value.
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:03 pm to
Getting rid of the salary cap would increase the NBAs popularity by a long shot. They should get rid of about 6 teams while they are at it.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:41 pm to
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They should get rid of about 6 teams while they are at it.
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