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USA Today: 2015 Denver Broncos Defense is Top 10 All-Time
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:14 pm
quote:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/proof-that-the-broncos-put-together-one-of-the-greatest-nfl-defenses-of-all-time
With a thoroughly dominant display in Super Bowl 50, the Broncos defense has, at the very least, started the debate on whether it is among the best defensive units in NFL history.
Any talk about the best defenses ever starts with teams like the 1976 Steelers, the 1985 Bears, the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Buccaneers. All of those teams set numerous records on their way to lifting a Lombardi Trophy. Denver may not have enjoyed a record-breaking season, but its consistently stout play in a league with rules slanted toward the offense makes this team deserving of a spot in the debate.
Let’s see how the Broncos D compares with the other great defenses in history.
We’ll start with a group of ten made up of the defenses widely considered to be the best in league history and figure out where the Broncos fit in. Here’s the group we’ll compare to this 2015 Denver squad:
2013 Seattle Seahawks
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2000 Baltimore Ravens
1991 Philadelphia Eagles
1985 Chicago Bears
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers
1975 Los Angeles Rams
1973 Miami Dolphins
1971 Minnesota Vikings
1969 Kansas City Chiefs
Here’s a look at how these teams rank in raw defensive statistics, including points allowed per game, yards allowed per game, yards allowed per play and turnover percentage:
On first glance, it doesn’t appear as if the Broncos belong in this class of defenses. Denver ranks last in every category we’re looking at. It lags way behind in both points allowed and turnovers. But this is an unfair way to compare these teams, which span across many different eras. Offenses are having more success now than they ever have. Just take a look at the league averages for each of the seasons we’re pulling teams from:
Points and yardage are higher than ever and turnover percentage is at an all-time low. When comparing teams across eras, that needs to be taken into account. Here’s how the Broncos stack up when we adjust for era using those league averages:
Denver still ranks last in average ranking, but the numbers are more in line with a historically great defense. They actually jump all the way up to second in yards allowed per play, which is arguably the most important stat.
The Broncos may have landed a little higher on this list — specifically in points allowed — if the offense had played a more complimentary style of football. The offense finished 29th in the league in giveaways, turning the ball over 31 times, including three interceptions returned for touchdowns.
All of those turnovers led to the defense being put in tough spots. Denver finished 29th in opponents’ average starting field position, according to Football Outsiders. Compounding the problem, the defense was on the field for ages, as the offense finished in the bottom 10 in time of possession.
We don’t have field position or time of possession numbers for all of the defense we’re looking at (Football Outsiders’ numbers go back to 1997), but we can compare Denver’s numbers to those of the modern teams in our group of great defenses:
Simply put, Denver’s offense did its defense no favors compared to other modern day champions.
The eye test certainly backs any claim Denver has to historical greatness. The pass rush is relentless with Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware, two players on track for Canton, firing off the edges. The secondary is filled with Pro Bowlers, including Chris Harris Jr. and Aqib Talib, two of the best cover corners in the league. And the linebacking corps is not bad itself. Danny Trevathan and Brandon Marshall will command a lot of money as free agents this offseason. The star power is definitely there.
It was a special group. Nice to see Peyton Manning go out as a winner, but the defense won the Super Bowl and dominated it's path on the way. Hopefully, Denver will be able to re-sign some notable big-name free agents that will get paid in Free Agency.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:16 pm to TTsTowel
I don't have a problem putting them top 10 all time. 2000 Baltimore will always be tops for me though
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:19 pm to TTsTowel
How can anyone disagree?
I'm not familiar with every team on that list, but I'd imagine only a handful of those defenses had to do it with such a poor offense on the other side, as well.
I'm not familiar with every team on that list, but I'd imagine only a handful of those defenses had to do it with such a poor offense on the other side, as well.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:21 pm to TTsTowel
quote:
with teams like the 1976 Steelers
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on their way to lifting a Lombardi Trophy
Sorry but the 1976 Steelers as great as they were on defense lost the AFCCG to the Raiders....
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:28 pm to dukke v
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dukke v
Great call on the game yesterday
My bank account thanks you
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:35 pm to dukke v
I read that the 2000 Baltimore Ravens scored 36 touchdowns on offense throughout the year, and the 2015 Denver Broncos also scored 36 touchdowns on the season. Not sure how many the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccs scored.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:37 pm to TTsTowel
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I read that the 2000 Baltimore Ravens scored 36 touchdowns on offense throughout the year, and the 2015 Denver Broncos also scored 36 touchdowns on the season. Not sure how many the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccs scored.
Damn, I didn't think it was that close. Figured this year's Denver's team would have more TDs.
I'm sure this year's Denver offense gained more yards.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:40 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Yeah, I'm not very sure. I would have to research further.
Damn, I didn't think it was that close. Figured this year's Denver's team would have more TDs.
I'm sure this year's Denver offense gained more yards.
I do know that Denver's defensive points per game allowed is actually skewed in the OP because of multiple defensive touchdowns in which Peyton Manning threw pick-6's...I think the number was 4.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:43 pm to TTsTowel
I'd probably agree with that. One of the reasons I thought the "Denver is going to get blown out" talk was kind of crazy after the title games. When you severely slow down Tom Brady in the playoffs you're likely going to do well. That pass rush was always going to make the Cam scramble/find open guy attack less effective.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:47 pm to TTsTowel
2000 Baltimore Ravens offense: 5,014 yards gained (4.7 YPP), 26 turnovers, 288 first downs, 730 penalty yards
2015 Denver Broncos offense: 5,688 yards gained (5.4 YPP), 31 turnovers, 314 first downs, 1,053 penalty yards
Just a few stats...
2015 Denver Broncos offense: 5,688 yards gained (5.4 YPP), 31 turnovers, 314 first downs, 1,053 penalty yards
Just a few stats...
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:49 pm to St Augustine
quote:Yeah, agreed.
When you severely slow down Tom Brady in the playoffs you're likely going to do well.
People also didn't take into account that this Denver defense held Aaron Rodgers to 74 passing yards. He had the worst game of his career against this Denver defense when Green Bay was still undefeated and hot. They were 6-0 coming into the game...
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:53 pm to TTsTowel
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Not sure how many the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccs scored.
29 in the regular season, 38 if you include the playoffs.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:54 pm to TTsTowel
I doubt you'll find many people debating with you after the last two games.
How much of that defense can they keep together for next year?
How much of that defense can they keep together for next year?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:58 pm to Jcorye1
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How much of that defense can they keep together for next year?
Von Miller is chasing the money, fo sho
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:03 pm to TTsTowel
In the Super Bowl...
2000 Ravens had 244 yards of offense.
2015 Broncos had 194 yards of offense.
2000 Ravens played against the # 15h offense in the Super Bowl and it was a blowout. In the playoffs they played against the #2nd offense in Denver and won 11-6...and then played the #13 offense in the Titans and won 13-4...and then played the 3rd best offense in Oakland and won 16-3.
2015 Broncos played against the #4 offense (Steelers) and won 23-16, played against the #3 offense and Tom Brady and defending champs and won 20-18...and then played #1 offense and league MVP...and won 24-10.
It might have been the greatest defensive run in NFL history...given the opponents and quality of players.
I think the only difference between the two is how the league has changed and made it so more difficult defenses after 2004.
There's no doubt the Broncos deserve to be up there with the Ravens...different era, different rules.
2000 Ravens had 244 yards of offense.
2015 Broncos had 194 yards of offense.
2000 Ravens played against the # 15h offense in the Super Bowl and it was a blowout. In the playoffs they played against the #2nd offense in Denver and won 11-6...and then played the #13 offense in the Titans and won 13-4...and then played the 3rd best offense in Oakland and won 16-3.
2015 Broncos played against the #4 offense (Steelers) and won 23-16, played against the #3 offense and Tom Brady and defending champs and won 20-18...and then played #1 offense and league MVP...and won 24-10.
It might have been the greatest defensive run in NFL history...given the opponents and quality of players.
I think the only difference between the two is how the league has changed and made it so more difficult defenses after 2004.
There's no doubt the Broncos deserve to be up there with the Ravens...different era, different rules.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:03 pm to JimMorrison
Schefter is reporting that if they can't reach an agreement the Broncos will use the franchise tag on him.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:03 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Malik Jackson
How much of that defense can they keep together for next year?
Brandon Marshall
Von Miller
Danny Trevathan
Antonio Smith
David Bruton
Omar Bolden
The above are all free agents. Malik Jackson rejected Denver's offer and will likely get paid a ton of money in free agency. Von Miller will likely get franchise tagged. And I'd like to see Brandon Marshall and Danny Trevathan back. They have quietly been some of the best inside linebackers per PFF.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:16 pm to TTsTowel
Assuming the Patriots can get the offense healthy (huge if), it looks like there will be some great offense against defense battles for the next couple of years
In the offseason, I'm a football fan first Pats fan second ha.
In the offseason, I'm a football fan first Pats fan second ha.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:23 pm to Jcorye1
We can only hope.
Denver has pressing needs at quarterback, offensive line and running back with offense. They need to reload through the draft and free agency to compete.
Denver has pressing needs at quarterback, offensive line and running back with offense. They need to reload through the draft and free agency to compete.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:26 pm to TTsTowel
Doesn't Manning free up a ton of money? Assuming he retires...
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