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re: UFC a Monopoly? Underpaying Fighters? Outside the Lines at 9am ESPN2
Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:10 am to SmackDaniels
Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:10 am to SmackDaniels
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And I just don't understand why GSP can make Hughes (twice), Penn and Serra look like asshats but can't finish Dan Hardy in five rounds.
That's GSP for you, he lost to both Hughes & Serra before beating them.
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:11 am to TigerintheNO
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he lost to both Hughes & Serra before beating them.
well c'mon...the serra loss was a COMPLETELY lucky punch/outlier event. it's not like serra owned that fight
Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:14 am to SmackDaniels
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and is anyone going to challenge the HW champ anytime soon?
Alistair Overeem is a huge challenge for anyone in the division. I personally am picking him to beat JDS when they fight. The LHW belt was essentially changing each time someone was trying to defend it. The other weight classes though there has been domination by the champions.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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well c'mon...the serra loss was a COMPLETELY lucky punch/outlier event. it's not like serra owned that fight
It's been so long I can't remember all the details, but didn't GSP get knocked out in the first few minutes of the fight.
Yes it is an outlier, because Serra had no business even in a championship fight. Has Serra won a fight since that one?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Overeem and especially Cain are legit contenders but theyre all probably just keeping the belt warm for whenever Jon Jones gets too big to fight at LHW anymore.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 11:08 am to Buckeye06
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world series of poker type thing
It's been the fastest growing sport since I would say 2001. It's silly to compare it to the WSOP (especially when the WSOP has had the world's largest sports organization on their side)
When it started in 1993 it peaked very quickly then crashed when PPV stopped selling it. When the Ferrita's bought it in 2001, it has been growing like wild fire since.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 11:34 am to SmackDaniels
We need kbeezy in here to give his opinion.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:15 pm to SmackDaniels
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The UFC is the only MMA organization in North America to survive long term. The business model is working for them.
Well this isn't true. There are several organizations that have survived for a god while including KOTC and extreme challenge
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This has doubled and they did a comparision to payout for boxing years ago. While the top guys in boxing get more the lower guys get less than the UFC.
No it hasn't really doubled. A minimum contract for the UFC is still 4k to fight.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:19 pm to KBeezy
Also, fighters need a damn union.
It is true that lower level boxers get paid less than Mma, but the UFC isnt lower level. The undercard guys on Espn Friday night fights will pull in 10gs, while an undercard guy on a UFC PPV can make a mere 4k.
The lower level is guys like local guys who can make 2k for a headlining a local Mma even while the boxers might make half of that
It is true that lower level boxers get paid less than Mma, but the UFC isnt lower level. The undercard guys on Espn Friday night fights will pull in 10gs, while an undercard guy on a UFC PPV can make a mere 4k.
The lower level is guys like local guys who can make 2k for a headlining a local Mma even while the boxers might make half of that
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:25 pm to Buckeye06
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but to me it seems this is a world series of poker type thing that will flame out within 5 years.
Poker hasnt even come close to "flaming out"
just look at the main event entrants:
approx 500 in 2000, jumped to 2500 in 2004 (thanks almost entirely to the success of chris moneymaker) and has been at least 5600+ in every subsequent year.
hell the federal govt shut down internet poker last april and the main event still had its 3rd highest turnout ever.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:26 pm to jcole4lsu
viewers > participants
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:29 pm to KBeezy
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Also, fighters need a damn union
i wonder if this will ever happen.
do UFC fighters get paid the same, win or lose?
do they get the same amount as their opponent in a fight?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:31 pm to Maximus
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viewers > participants
espn tried some new formats for the WSOP this year. i think they will go back to the edited "all action" style for the broadcasts and should do the full tournament style via webcast or something.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:32 pm to Maximus
UFC wont flame out. the younger guys just keep getting better and better. its not like Silva and GSP are gonna win forever. hell GSP might never be the same after his injury
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:39 pm to jcole4lsu
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do UFC fighters get paid the same, win or lose?
do they get the same amount as their opponent in a fight?
No they have win bonuses. And what you get paid omis completely up to what you negotiate
And that is the problem. Because most guys have no bargaining power with The
UFC because the UFC is the only
Big dog in town. So you are kind of forced
To enter into their pay scale structure, which Slanted heavily to the
Promoters side
We hear about nfl and nba recent disputes over revenue splits and they are close to 50-50.
With the UFC the fighters get less than 10% of the revenues
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:50 pm to KBeezy
Pardon my ignorance, but what is ESPN's reason for not reporting on the fights? It is because the UFC won't let them show the events?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:52 pm to sgallo3
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UFC wont flame out. the younger guys just keep getting better and better. i
the issue is how marketable are these guys
and i don't have an opinion, but that's the key
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
True. The UFC isn't really paying them for their fighting skills. They are paying them based on bringing in viewers
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:57 pm to sgallo3
and losing randy, chuck, tito, brock, BJ, hughes, etc is a big transitional phase
anderson isn't marketable really
jones may be
i think the HW division is going to go the route of boxing
GSP is still a name, but they're going to have to start having him fight up a division a couple times
anderson isn't marketable really
jones may be
i think the HW division is going to go the route of boxing
GSP is still a name, but they're going to have to start having him fight up a division a couple times
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:58 pm to KBeezy
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We hear about nfl and nba recent disputes over revenue splits and they are close to 50-50.
well nba and nfl have massive revenue streams. i dont see ufc revenue being much more than a cable tv deal and ppv buys.
they dont even see merch sales like WWE
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