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re: UCF to the Big 12?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:28 am to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:28 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:
Miami is a commuter school
the frick?
Miami is a private school. And a pretty good one
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:34 am to Buckeye Backer
It fits in academically.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:43 am to BreakawayZou83
So in reality, if and when (imo) the Big 12 decides to expands, there is a limited number of schools that could make that jump. It would have to come from one of these schools:
UCF
Cincinnati
BYU
Boise St
Houston
New Mexico
South Florida
Colorado St
Thats really about it. If you want to expand your footprint, bring in new markets for recruiting and lastly bring in the best available program, i think you would have to come down to some combination of UCF, BYU, Boise St and Cincy. The others dont really do anything for you.
UCF
Cincinnati
BYU
Boise St
Houston
New Mexico
South Florida
Colorado St
Thats really about it. If you want to expand your footprint, bring in new markets for recruiting and lastly bring in the best available program, i think you would have to come down to some combination of UCF, BYU, Boise St and Cincy. The others dont really do anything for you.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:56 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:LOL. Seems like you know a lot about Florida universities.
Miami is a commuter school and im sure they'd take them.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:57 am to The_Joker
ucf and usf should be a package deal for the big 12...
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:03 am to cornhat
quote:
LOL. Seems like you know a lot about Florida universities
Again, i was referring to them in the the way they support their athletics. Dont sit here and tell me that Miami supports their athletics on a different level then UCF. In fact, Miami might have the worst attendance of any of the AQ conferences. UCF brings a ton of potential...more so then Miami in certain aspects!
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:04 am to chalmetteowl
quote:
ucf and usf should be a package deal for the big 12...
Could be an interesting duo! The Big 12 would be getting out of there Texas dominated image. Everybody in the Big 12 recruits Texas, now they would be able to recruit Florida as well. Some of those universities currently in the Big 12 may like that idea.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:11 am to Buckeye Backer
they can make it where one is in each division, and the two are permanent opponents...
my alignment
North- Iowa St. Kansas Kansas St Oklahoma St West Virginia USF
South- Texas Oklahoma Baylor TCU Texas Tech UCF
permanent opps UCF-USF, Oklahoma-Oklahoma St, Baylor-Iowa St, Texas-West Virginia, TCU-Kansas St., Texas Tech-Kansas
the permanent opps might not make sense but USF and UCF need to be in different divisions and play every year. it also preserves OU playing Bedlam and the Red River Shootout every year
my alignment
North- Iowa St. Kansas Kansas St Oklahoma St West Virginia USF
South- Texas Oklahoma Baylor TCU Texas Tech UCF
permanent opps UCF-USF, Oklahoma-Oklahoma St, Baylor-Iowa St, Texas-West Virginia, TCU-Kansas St., Texas Tech-Kansas
the permanent opps might not make sense but USF and UCF need to be in different divisions and play every year. it also preserves OU playing Bedlam and the Red River Shootout every year
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:11 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:
So in reality, if and when (imo) the Big 12 decides to expands
honestly I doubt they expand. You have several different reasons. Some apply to them all, some only apply to a few
- any adds would almost certainly require an extension of the GORs. This is a complete no-go for those wishing to explore options at the end of the current GORs
- any adds would reduce the amount of money each school gets currently. It's peanuts to most, but $1m or so keeps several Big 12 ADs afloat. They can't afford to take a haircut for longer term gains
- no one cares about anyone but UTx or OU. Every single vote is going to be based upon their access to these two schools.
They should expand with a long-term vision. But they are still a collection of schools rather than a conference and they are still very focused on what any change does to their individual school in the short term, at the expense of conference health. It's really hard to change that mentality. What they have now is 10 schools who are constantly updating their exit strategy just in case.
Moving forward collectively requires trust. Basically every change made since it's formation has been done via bullying, threats, and demands. Khrushchev banging his shoe on the table would fit right in at a Big 12 meeting. And if all you've ever known is hatred, infighting, backstabbing and the like with your business partners, how do suddenly build that trust? It's why I was so happy to just start over in a new, positive environment.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:12 am to tmc94
Tulane to the Big 12
Gets Texas and OU into Louisiana every other year for recruiting. Also a school that would be so happy to escape the AAC they would likely take a reduced cut of Big 12 money for several years. Would probably be willing to play Texas and OU at the Superdome giving them a cut of the money. Probably willing to be a LHN game. Gives Big 12 a big time academic school to make everyone feel good about themselves when they pretend the game is for "student athletes" and not an NFL minors system.
extra bonus for this board's entertainment is it would devastate recruiting for La Tech, ULM, and ULL.
Gets Texas and OU into Louisiana every other year for recruiting. Also a school that would be so happy to escape the AAC they would likely take a reduced cut of Big 12 money for several years. Would probably be willing to play Texas and OU at the Superdome giving them a cut of the money. Probably willing to be a LHN game. Gives Big 12 a big time academic school to make everyone feel good about themselves when they pretend the game is for "student athletes" and not an NFL minors system.
extra bonus for this board's entertainment is it would devastate recruiting for La Tech, ULM, and ULL.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:16 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:
Anyway, back on topic. Again if not UCF then who?
Forget 12 and let's go straight to 14.
Cincy for #11 which gets West Virginia a nearby rival.
UCF and USF for #12 and #13, avoids another "island" school (like WVU is now) plus the Florida recruiting angle.
#14 gets tricky at this point, and of your original list New Mexico makes the most sense because now you can divide into North and South divisions;
South: UCF, USF, Texas, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, New Mexico
North: OU, Oklahoma State, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Cincy, WV
For the permanent cross-division opponents, Texas and OU can keep their rivalry. Tech and Oklahoma State have somewhat of a rivalry and can keep it. Cincy and WV can have one of the Florida schools each (keep them in the same time zone). Baylor can have Kansas (though this would be a better b-ball rivalry). TCU and K-State can have the purple rivalry. NM and Iowa State have nothing in common but there's no one left.
ETA: Tulane would make sense in order to get access to Louisiana recruits, simply replace them for New Mexico.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:22 am to tmc94
quote:
What they have now is 10 schools who are constantly updating their exit strategy just in case.
Of which only three really have a strategy: Texas, OU, and Kansas (the latter because of its b-ball program).
Maybe WV can get into the ACC. Everyone else is relegated to mid-major status or worse.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:22 am to Tridentds
quote:
I think just about everyone would take a 1 loss SEC champion or a 1 loss Big 10 champion etc.. etc.. over an undefeated Big 12 champion. Big 12 has strength of schedule issues. The lack of a conference championship game makes SOS even worse.
bullshite. Baylor was one choke job away from playing FSU for the title
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:28 am to Ostrich
you seem like a rather angry fellow.
The Big 12 has perception problems right now whether you want to admit it or not. Baylor's highest ranking this year was 4th and they were never ranked ahead of an OSU team that many thought could get jumped. I disagree it is a given as stated, but it certainly could have happened.
The Big 12 has perception problems right now whether you want to admit it or not. Baylor's highest ranking this year was 4th and they were never ranked ahead of an OSU team that many thought could get jumped. I disagree it is a given as stated, but it certainly could have happened.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:34 am to tmc94
The Big 10 has a worse perception problem than the Big 12, and so does the ACC, partially due to Duke finishing 2nd in the league.
If a team from any "Big 5" conferences are undefeated, they won't be left out of a playoff
If a team from any "Big 5" conferences are undefeated, they won't be left out of a playoff
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:37 am to Dr RC
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:41 am to tmc94
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The Big 12 has perception problems right now whether you want to admit it or not. Baylor's highest ranking this year was 4th and they were never ranked ahead of an OSU team that many thought could get jumped. I disagree it is a given as stated, but it certainly could have happened.
I admit the Big 12 is not the toughest conference. But if it had significant perception problems, Oregon or somebody else would've gotten into the Sugar Bowl over OU. If you win out in the Big 12, you will get to the playoff, easily.
Edit: Or maybe I should say, if OU(or Texas) wins out in the Big 12, they would make the playoff, easily as our brands carry more weight than Baylor, OSU, etc. That's all that matters to me.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:47 am to Ostrich
bowls don't choose schools based on who is best and you know this. So that has about as much bearing on the Big 12's perception as puppies and rainbows
Posted on 1/2/14 at 11:49 am to Ostrich
quote:
Or maybe I should say, if OU(or Texas) wins out in the Big 12, they would make the playoff, easily. That's all that matters to me.
this is probably more accurate. But I think it's very myopic and short term thinking. Baylor getting passed over is bad for OU, not because of money, but because OU needs more high profile games. That means they need other schools to carry some water. Y'all are being suffocated by mediocrity surrounding you and it's tarnishing your brand
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