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Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:39 pm to DelU249
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:39 pm to DelU249
quote:Then the OP needs to be clarified.
Though it help established what the expectation was
They said 8
I was at 4
They won 2
Failure is a strong word but it wasn't a success
Are you asking what they think of what we think?
I assumed it was what we think, which means what they think is irrelevant.
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Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:44 pm to shel311
what you think
I've been pretty honest. While failure is technically the right word for how I see it, It is very harsh.
Amazing, if they pull this series out and win, I'd put them at the threshold of success and everything beyond that would be lagniappe.
I've referenced their own expectations because it has been suggested that "LeBron haters" (I'm not one) have unreal expectations...these guys thought they'd win fricking 8. So 3, 4, maybe 5 isn't unreal
Especially after 2 straight, 3 straight finals appearances (and I thought they were better than the mavs, LeBron was a no show in that series)
the first season after losing to the mavs, they look like they "got it" and played determined and intense ball.
I've been pretty honest. While failure is technically the right word for how I see it, It is very harsh.
Amazing, if they pull this series out and win, I'd put them at the threshold of success and everything beyond that would be lagniappe.
I've referenced their own expectations because it has been suggested that "LeBron haters" (I'm not one) have unreal expectations...these guys thought they'd win fricking 8. So 3, 4, maybe 5 isn't unreal
Especially after 2 straight, 3 straight finals appearances (and I thought they were better than the mavs, LeBron was a no show in that series)
the first season after losing to the mavs, they look like they "got it" and played determined and intense ball.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:44 pm to DelU249
100% success.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:51 pm to SBC
Obvious success.
Overwhelming focal point of all basketball fans.
One of only 3 teams in NBA history to make it to 4 straight finals.
Back to back championships.
Not even any question.
Now, LeGoat will be back in Miami next year most likely and the Heat will probably win tonight, so it isn't over, but it has already succeeded.
Overwhelming focal point of all basketball fans.
One of only 3 teams in NBA history to make it to 4 straight finals.
Back to back championships.
Not even any question.
Now, LeGoat will be back in Miami next year most likely and the Heat will probably win tonight, so it isn't over, but it has already succeeded.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:52 pm to shel311
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They wasted money on Greg Oden and Michael Beasley.
super cheap, 1 year deals, maybe even vet minimums?
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They had to let Mike Miller, who started in 4 finals games last year, just walk.
the cap penalty rules were instituted after all of this, and Miller would have cost the team other $23 million this season alone with the added penalties.
We are on the same side here for a change
My point was they had limited money to work with and sort of missed on finding ways to sustain their run with it.
Pat Riley and their FO I thought did a tremendous job initially in surrounding the big 3 with the right type of players. It just feels like they were reaching this past year.
Let Greg Oden relearn how to play basketball elsewhere and let Beasley go be a stoner somewhere else.
Their big 3 has played 10,000 more minutes than the Spurs big 3 the past 3 seasons. They needed to find more depth to allow those guys some rest.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:52 pm to WITNESS23
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Funny that people actually entertain the thought that it's a failure
Every team would take titles and be thrilled with it. No one is debating that the heat didnt have what other teams would kill for. But 90% of teams would dream of having 1 title evert 10 years. Different teams have different expectations. Everyone knows as far as compared to rest of league of course it isn't near a failure..... but to the players they very well may say they underachived on the finals they lost. If there goal for the season was title and nothing less than title then in their eyes failure would fit
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:58 pm to The Pirate King
If they lose, it's still a success. If two titles and four conference titles in four years aren't considered successful, our expectations are out of control.
That said, they fail to join the all-time great teams in my opinion. They're not the Russell Celtics, the 1980's Lakers or Celtics, the 1990's Bulls or even the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
They'd fall on that second tier of all-time great teams with the Bad Boy Pistons.
That said, they fail to join the all-time great teams in my opinion. They're not the Russell Celtics, the 1980's Lakers or Celtics, the 1990's Bulls or even the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
They'd fall on that second tier of all-time great teams with the Bad Boy Pistons.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 4:59 pm to fightingtiger2335
The Heat are not a great fit but they have found a way to win, mainly because LeGoat gonna LeGoat.
Have people forgotten how many were saying zero titles for the Heat with the Big 3 after they lost to the Mavs?
The Heat have not had a post presence or point guard the entire 4 years. Birdman they picked up off the scrap heap. He wasn't even on a roster and he is the best big man they have had. They have nothing at point guard. LeBron and wade play the same position and bosh is basically a power forward with a jump shot.
Yet the Heat have been the best in the game and made it to all these finals with some historic accomplishments. That is a huge credit to LeGoat.
Have people forgotten how many were saying zero titles for the Heat with the Big 3 after they lost to the Mavs?
The Heat have not had a post presence or point guard the entire 4 years. Birdman they picked up off the scrap heap. He wasn't even on a roster and he is the best big man they have had. They have nothing at point guard. LeBron and wade play the same position and bosh is basically a power forward with a jump shot.
Yet the Heat have been the best in the game and made it to all these finals with some historic accomplishments. That is a huge credit to LeGoat.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:00 pm to KCTigerFan212
Agree with all of that.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Fwiw I don't think its a failure. I just think lot of people were missing the question of the op.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:06 pm to SBC
While the accomplishments of the Heat the last four seasons was not a failure a few things to consider.
They were at a fricking pep rally when they said not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5....... Not really something to truly criticize them over other than the fact they are putting on a pep rally for the worst fanbase in the league.
The way OKC built their team is not admirable as they sucked until they could make high lotto picks over and over. The only truly admirable team building in my lifetime is really the small market Spurs as they constantly draft well and develop players. The Heat 2010 offseason was not some bs way to build a team when you compare the power the big market teams have had until recently in running the league. As a big NBA fan I didn't have a big deal with it and don't really see why anyone else should either. Again Duncan doesn't have a max deal and he is an active NBA legend. He took less money to put better players around him similar to the way James, Wade, and Bosh.
Also I think it was miscalculated how poorly Wade would complement James. It is also obvious Wade has declined faster than many thought. I think he has been the weakest link of the core three. Bosh accepted his role early and worked on changing his game to complement the best player in the league. Wade has played selfishly since they got together, has not improved his game, and has begun to decline limiting his minutes. James has obviously improved his game by becoming a better jump shooter, post player, and solidified himself as one of the best defenders in the league regardless of position. IMO one of the reasons they lost to Dallas was because Wade couldn't space the floor and kept the Heat from playing their most effective offense.
Finally the new CBA completely ended any chance this team had long term.
They were at a fricking pep rally when they said not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5....... Not really something to truly criticize them over other than the fact they are putting on a pep rally for the worst fanbase in the league.
The way OKC built their team is not admirable as they sucked until they could make high lotto picks over and over. The only truly admirable team building in my lifetime is really the small market Spurs as they constantly draft well and develop players. The Heat 2010 offseason was not some bs way to build a team when you compare the power the big market teams have had until recently in running the league. As a big NBA fan I didn't have a big deal with it and don't really see why anyone else should either. Again Duncan doesn't have a max deal and he is an active NBA legend. He took less money to put better players around him similar to the way James, Wade, and Bosh.
Also I think it was miscalculated how poorly Wade would complement James. It is also obvious Wade has declined faster than many thought. I think he has been the weakest link of the core three. Bosh accepted his role early and worked on changing his game to complement the best player in the league. Wade has played selfishly since they got together, has not improved his game, and has begun to decline limiting his minutes. James has obviously improved his game by becoming a better jump shooter, post player, and solidified himself as one of the best defenders in the league regardless of position. IMO one of the reasons they lost to Dallas was because Wade couldn't space the floor and kept the Heat from playing their most effective offense.
Finally the new CBA completely ended any chance this team had long term.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:08 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The way OKC built their team is not admirable as they sucked until they could make high lotto picks over and over. The only truly admirable team building in my lifetime is really the small market Spurs as they constantly draft well and develop players.
Well the Spurs had to suck one season to end up with arguable the greatest PF ever.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:09 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
They were at a fricking pep rally when they said not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5....... Not really something to truly criticize them over other than the fact they are putting on a pep rally for the worst fanbase in the league.
When the other so called 'super teams' formed, there wasn't a massive sold out offseason pep rally...Why? Because everyone thought it was the formation of a dynasty
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:11 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Wade has played selfishly since they got together, has not improved his game, and has begun to decline limiting his minutes.
Based on the # of 3pt. shots he's taken, and # of overall shots he's taken since that time, this makes no sense.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:14 pm to c on z
it would be a success but below expectations
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:23 pm to DelU249
quote:This may come down to semantics, really.
what you think
I thought they'd win 3 by now and thought they'd at least threaten 72.
It has absolutely been harder than I thought it would be for them.
That being said, what they've done, while not as much as I thought, can't be argued a failure IMO.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:24 pm to DelU249
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Amazing, if they pull this series out and win, I'd put them at the threshold of success and everything beyond that would be lagniappe.
3 out of 4 would be just "the threshold of success"? You're trolling. You've gotta be. No one is that fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:25 pm to c on z
Well last year you could tell he was upset that he wasn't involved enough during the middle of the playoffs. Why even act like that?
Also he sucked balls spacing the floor against Dallas which forced James into sitting at the 3pt line. Wade has still not improved his 3pt shooting. Bosh has done it.
Also he sucked balls spacing the floor against Dallas which forced James into sitting at the 3pt line. Wade has still not improved his 3pt shooting. Bosh has done it.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:28 pm to DelU249
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Kind of underwhelming if you ask me
What NBA fan base wouldn't be satisfied with two championships in 4 years? Don't be stupid, unless you're trolling, which methinks you are.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 5:33 pm to Goldrush25
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If you seriously thought they could win 8 in a row then ok
Well to be fair, LeBron never said anything about in a row, so I won't hold him to 8 in a row. And I never thought the East would be as bad as it was the last 4 years.
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