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Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:41 pm to DelU249
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:41 pm to DelU249
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And I asked if they're a failure and it's a fair question
All I know is 2/4 is very underwhelming given the situation
The issue is when we had a lockout in 2011, the owners went out of their way to try to cripple the idea of these super teams with a harder cap, luxury tax penalties, and a repeater tax.
So they could never really address their roster issues and honestly made some strange moves in the process. They wasted money on Greg Oden and Michael Beasley. They had to let Mike Miller, who started in 4 finals games last year, just walk.
Plus they have just gotten older and have played a ridiculous amount of minutes over the past 4 years. D Wade isn't nearly what he was 4 years ago. Shane Battier was one of the hero's of Game 7 in last year's finals and he can't even get on the floor anymore.
But frick the Heat. I'm glad they haven't just run the NBA, it is better for the sport.
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Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:41 pm to DelU249
Not 2 not 3 not anymore than 2
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:41 pm to DelU249
Not a heat fan, but 2/4 is an accomplishment
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:42 pm to 1984Tiger
They didn't win a title
And they were old as dirt
There has never been a super team. Lakers tried but everyone was sooo old
3 guys plotting for years to team up at their individual and collective peaks. 3 of the 10 best players in the game.
You expect more from that.
I think it was just under the line of success. So failure is a strong word, but a failure nonetheless
And they were old as dirt
There has never been a super team. Lakers tried but everyone was sooo old
3 guys plotting for years to team up at their individual and collective peaks. 3 of the 10 best players in the game.
You expect more from that.
I think it was just under the line of success. So failure is a strong word, but a failure nonetheless
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:43 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:43 pm to RTR America
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I'm glad they haven't just run the NBA, it is better for the sport.
Whats better though? Bosh to waste away in toronto? Love in Minnesota?
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:45 pm to DelU249
50% in the NBA with a bought team, isn't that impressive.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:46 pm to DelU249
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There has never been a super team
So you dont consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar-the league all time points leader, Magic Johnson-top 10 player all time, and James Worthy a super team?
Also you talk about them being at their peaks-Wade is hardly at his peak.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:47 pm to Adam Banks
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Whats better though? Bosh to waste away in toronto? Love in Minnesota?
Any thing that invites more parody into the game and makes it possible for well run franchises to compete.
If these guys are sick of playing where they are drafted then let the franchise know, so they can at least attempt to get something out of it.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:47 pm to Adam Banks
No because two I them were drafted there and one was a FA who was there when they drafted magic.
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3 guys (3 different teams) plotting for years to team up at their individual and collective peaks. 3 of the 10 best players in the game.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:50 pm to Adam Banks
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Also you talk about them being at their peaks-Wade is hardly at his peak.
4 seasons later he's not
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:50 pm to 1984Tiger
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You're forgetting Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley.
Those guys were 34-34-33 respectively. Besides, they ran into the number one seed Jazz in the 97 Western Conference Finals. In 98, they were the 8th seed with a 41-41 record and pushed the number one seed 62 win Jazz to a decisive 5th game.
Not a comparable situation. None of those guys were in their prime.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:52 pm to DelU249
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No because two I them were drafted there and one was a FA who was there when they drafted magic.
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3 guys (3 different teams) plotting for years to team up at their individual and collective peaks. 3 of the 10 best players in the game.
Once again Wade is not at his peak. All 3 are not in the top 10. And who the hell cares how it was formed when comparing it to other super teams in the past? Theyve done as good or better than many "superteams" but they were just formed in a different manner. That may change how you feel about the team as an individual that doesnt change the level of success when compared to prior teams.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 2:59 pm to Adam Banks
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Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Signed before the 75-76 offseason.
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Magic Johnson
Drafted by team in 1979. Kareem was 32 when Magic was drafted.
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James Worthy
Drafted in 82. Kareem was 35 when he was drafted.
What made those Lakers teams great is the same that made those mid 90's Rockets team and the 03-05-07 Spurs teams great - They had a top 3-5 player of the time and had 2 all-star level talents and a bunch of good role players who knew their niches and filled them effectively. Same thing with the Celtics. But those teams were still not formed the same way the Heat were. There was no prior agreement years in advanced. They didn't all sign as free agents in one place in their primes. Hell those guys came into the league 2-3 years apart. Hell Kareem was in the NBA when Magic was in middle school and Worthy was in elementary school.
The closest comparison you can make is the 07-08 Celtics, but even those guys were all in their 30s and Garnett didn't sign with the Celtics in free agency, he was traded. People don't understand how unique and displeasing the way this team was formed is/was.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:00 pm to Adam Banks
Because the way this super team was former is the basis for expectations. Quit being so deliberately dense.
Wade isn't top 10 anymore, anyMORE
He sure as shite was when the super team formed
He is the only reason the mavs series was a contest. He was a killer in the next two. 2010 is when expectations were formed. They haven't lived up to it. 2/4 is middle ground. 3/4 is success. 4/4 obviously. 1/4? And this was a miracle three away from happening.
2:4 is right at the line of failure and success. That's a black and white approach. Would it mean more if I said
"They didn't meet expectations and the results of the super team was underwhelming" - is this not reasonable?
Wade isn't top 10 anymore, anyMORE
He sure as shite was when the super team formed
He is the only reason the mavs series was a contest. He was a killer in the next two. 2010 is when expectations were formed. They haven't lived up to it. 2/4 is middle ground. 3/4 is success. 4/4 obviously. 1/4? And this was a miracle three away from happening.
2:4 is right at the line of failure and success. That's a black and white approach. Would it mean more if I said
"They didn't meet expectations and the results of the super team was underwhelming" - is this not reasonable?
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:02 pm to hg
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Posted by hg on 6/15 at 2:01 pm to Fox Mulder Well you have the whole not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 thing
So dumb. At championship parades teams always say they're gonna repeat and win more rings, yet it rarely actually happens. Do we hold it against those teams? Of course not. Why hold something said at a pep rally against the heat?
In both instances the teams are making proclamations to pump up the crowd.
This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:03 pm to Adam Banks
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Whats better though? Bosh to waste away in toronto? Love in Minnesota?
Parity is better for the league. No sport is fun when you only have 3-4 teams with anything resembling a shot to win the title. Hell there are 10 teams in the NFL this year that you can say have a shot at the Super Bowl. There are at least 8 teams that you can say have a shot at the WS this year. With the NBA, it was the Heat, the Spurs, the Thunder, and most people would have said either the Pacers or Clippers. 5 teams. Out of 30.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:04 pm to The_Hornet
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People don't understand how unique and displeasing the way this team was formed is/was.
I think everyone does understand. Thats why I said multiple times the superteam is not unique to the NBA. The way the Heat formed was unique.
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They had a top 3-5 player of the time and had 2 all-star level talents
Kareem and Magic are both all time talents and will go both go down way ahead of Wade.
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:06 pm to Adam Banks
But but they didn't go to the lakers via free agency
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:07 pm to Mohamed Ali
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So dumb. At championship parades teams always say they're gonna repeat and win more rings, yet it rarely actually happens. Do we hold it against those teams? Of course not. Why hold something said at a pep rally against the heat?
In both instances the teams are making proclamations to pump up the crowd.
Championship parades are had after winning the championships, not before preseason games start. Who the hell has a preseason championship celebration when you didn't win the title the previous season? Who the hell says in that same preseason championship celebration that they are going to win at least 8 championships before they have even played a single game together?
Let's not forget LeBron's little poutfest after they were closed out at home either.
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