re: time to allow pete rose back into baseball? ...

it should be, you're certainly more interesting than pete rose.

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his Hall ban has increased his rep, as people prop him up as a better player than he actually was

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Pete rose was a really good ball player. HOF worthy 1st ballot. Yes he screwed up AS A MANAGER....


Now Bonds Clemens,Sosa MAC. Should not be on the ballot... Was it against the rules?? Maybe not. But they messed with the integrity of the game by cheating and giving them an unfair advantadge. I don't have a beef with you on your take of why he should not be in the HOF. As long as you recognize that Barry Bonds isn't even close to the best ever,BECAUSE of his roid use.

Rose only apologized for his book & that was after MLB asked him for yrs & yrs AND yrs to come clean. And as he is a proven, self-admitted liar, do we honestly believe him when he claims he only bet on the Reds to win? Read his gambling history: he bet on anything & everything, but we're supposed to believe him about this? Like a politician caught stealing or cheating: he did not steal/cheat one time & get caught that one time. Rose had a proven, long term history of serious gambling issues. A lifetime ban is a lifetime ban to me.

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Now Bonds Clemens,Sosa MAC. Should not be on the ballot... Was it against the rules?? Maybe not. But they messed with the integrity of the game by cheating and giving them an unfair advantadge.

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Gaylord Perry should be stripped of his HOF status.

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My guess is at some point he will be reinstated but he will be long gone by then and not get the satisfaction.

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My guess too.

Are steroids far worse?
The Olympics is one big steroid fest of athletes.
The NFL has a far bigger performance enhancing problem than baseball ever did.
Go back to the 80's - college football doesn't really have any NCAA rules in place to prevent it to this day. At least MLB players looked normal back in the 80's - steroids didn't explode in baseball until the early 90's when everyone on the A's roster was either a 20 game winner or was in double digits in HR's.

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Pete Rose willingly violated the rules of baseball when he knew full well the consequences of his actions. this isn't like PED's, which were not against the rules, tacitly encouraged by ownership, and had no penalty. There were big signs in every clubhouse that said don't gamble on baseball and if you do, you will be banned forever. Armed with these warnings, and with knowledge of baseball's creation myth, Rose did it anyway.

I haven't an ounce of sympathy for him. If anything, his Hall ban has increased his rep, as people prop him up as a better player than he actually was. The fact he was voted onto the fan's all-time team and Stan Musial wasn't just shows how historically ignorant Pete Rose fans are.

If games are not on the level, sports cease to matter. It becomes pro wrestling. Baseball has rightfully put up a clear wall on gambling behavior to prevent game fixing (which was a HUGE problem in the game's early days - read up on Hal Chase).

Pete Rose is the last person who should ever be reinstated. Same with Joe Jackson, who almost certainly threw games as well. I don't care that he played well in games in which the White Sox realized they were getting screwed by the gamblers and were now trying to win, and that he hit a home run in the late innings of a blowout loss

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Well said, 100% agree. People are trying to argue the degrees of morality between what Pete did and what others (mainly steroid users) did. It is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Pete's violation carries a lifetime ban, it has been that way for a long time and Pete knew that and did it anyways. And since 1991 the Hall of Fame has taken the stance that no player on the permanently ineligible list can show up on the HOF ballot. Regardless of whether it's worse than PEDs doesn't matter, Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, etc will never face lifetime bans. They may not be voted in because of PED use, but baseball has never taken the stance to ban PED users for life, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

And the fact that he did it as a manager and not a player is irrelevant also if his actions as manager put him on baseball's permanently ineligible list

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do we honestly believe him when he claims he only bet on the Reds to win?

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Yes, but it still doesn't make it right. When during the first game of a series, he brings in his closer in the 7th when down two runs only because he bet on his team to win, that's fricked up.

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Not sure what the point of your post is

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The point is that NOBODY in this thread will be effected one bit if Rose is voted into the hall of fame. He was a great player, and what does it really matter. Baseball has lost all its class and luster from back in the ole days anyway. I have been following the game for almost 50 years and the changes in the game are horrendous compared to when it was more important than it is today.

I mean just look at things. Starting pitchers are babied so much these days that it takes away from the game and getting anything worthy of being in the HOF. The complete game is long gone. Specialty pitchers is a joke. The DH is a joke and always has been.