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re: time to allow pete rose back into baseball? ...
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:48 am to ballscaster
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:48 am to ballscaster
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ope. Never. He was given many chances to fess up and move on but reneged every time. He could have cooperated with Selig but was a complete a-hole about everything. Nobody wants to deal with him because he's a stupid old a-hole who isn't worth the time.
Look at how shitty Selig handled the Roids scandal. Do you really think he was ever going to let Rose back in after his ban, even if Rose admitted to it when he should have? C'maaawn Maaaaaan
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:49 am to Kracka
quote:The purists were ready to forgive him multiple times, but he flipped them the bird every time. It's amazing that people ignore this.
The roids players damaged baseball far worse than anything Pete Rose ever did. But I agree with the comment, it will never happen. Baseball purists are too stubborn, and will never forgive PR.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:50 am to Kracka
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The roids players damaged baseball far worse than anything Pete Rose ever did. But I agree with the comment, it will never happen. Baseball purists are too stubborn, and will never forgive PR.
Disagree.
What Rose did was 1000 times worse than anything the steroids guys did.
The steroids guys were cheating to WIN.
Pete Rose, god only knows what he actually did because he lies and then lies to cover his previous lies, BET ON BASEBALL GAMES while he was MANAGING A BASEBALL TEAM.
Now you tell me, what is a reasonable man to think- hardcore gambling addict, betting on baseball games that he manages. What's he gonna do?
The roids guys disgraced the game.
What Rose did questions the entire validity of the sport.
He must be banned forever.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:55 am to Chili Davis
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I say no. Rule 21, regarding gambling, is posted in every clubhouse in English and in Spanish. Pete knew what he was doing and had been warned about his gambling habits multiple times. His ego was to big to heed the warnings.
What is the rule number for Roids and PED's? Because all these recent cheaters that have been exposed have had chance after chance, yet none, even ARoid haven't been banned for life. They are worse than Rose as a manager. Rose the player deserves to be in before anyone in the roid era.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:55 am to SportsGuyNOLA
What Pete did was worse, yes. He bet on the game and duped baseball into setting up three separate reinstatement plans for him, and he backed out at the last minute on all of them. That's worse than steroids.
And the roid users shouldn't get in either.
And the roid users shouldn't get in either.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:58 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Pete Rose, god only knows what he actually did because he lies and then lies to cover his previous lies, BET ON BASEBALL GAMES while he was MANAGING A BASEBALL TEAM.
Now you tell me, what is a reasonable man to think- hardcore gambling addict, betting on baseball games that he manages. What's he gonna do?
I agree there, but to say that one cheating or fixing is better or worse than the other is just blind ignorance.
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The roids guys disgraced the game.
Why is disgracing the sport by gambling, any worse than disgracing the sport by taking PED's? And you mention the validity of the sport. What about the records that McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds were setting? The HR record was almost as storied as the Hit record. You talk about validity? What is valid about Bonds' HR record?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:02 am to ballscaster
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That's worse than steroids.
So the players being warned over and over that they would face suspensions and possible bans, that's not rolling out the red carpet. Not to mention the numerous times they were probably warned and had positive tests covered up before this shite blew up in their face. It seems like most of the pro life ban supporters are more upset that Rose was a stubborn guy and kept flip flopping on admitting gambling, more than they are upset at the actual gambling.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:04 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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What Rose did was 1000 times worse than anything the steroids guys did.
Cheating is cheating.Not giving Rose a pass on what he did. AS A MANAGER.........
Do you think Barry Bonds should be in the HOF????
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:32 am to Kracka
quote:I thought I was making it clear that this is exactly the case. What Pete did after his ban is worse than anything he did before his ban. He basically n-----knocked Cooperstown three times, and you're mad that he's not being let in.
It seems like most of the pro life ban supporters are more upset that Rose was a stubborn guy and kept flip flopping on admitting gambling, more than they are upset at the actual gambling.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:44 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Now you tell me, what is a reasonable man to think- hardcore gambling addict, betting on baseball games that he manages. What's he gonna do? The roids guys disgraced the game. What Rose did questions the entire validity of the sport. He must be banned forever.
This is such ridiculous bullshite. The guy is a Hall of Fame player and deserves to be in the only MUSEUM that documents BASEBALL'S ENTIRE HISTORY. Yes, hit totals are a longevity stat, but he is still the all-time hit leader. The fact that the all-time hit leader happened to bet on games should make him even more worthy of the hall of fame. He may be the most deserving player ever to be in the Hall of Fame because of the narrative. He should have an entire room to himself (along with Bonds) and EVERYTHING should be documented including gambling, betting, playing, and managing. How can anyone just sit there and pretend that none of this happened. Do you want to omit Hitler's name from any WWII lecture? He was a piece of shite, but the story is somewhat incomplete without him. Paint him as the antagonist all you want, he is a Hall of Famer and it's asinine that he isnt already enshrined. It's goes to show the complete ignorance and out of touchness that Baseball has with reality.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:47 am to dnm3305
He was given three chances. Each time, he accepted baseball's offer, and then reneged at the last minute.
He will never get in, and Pete is 100% to blame. Baseball went way out of its way to get him in, and Pete went out of his way to stay out and has the BALLS to spin it the other way around.
He will never get in, and Pete is 100% to blame. Baseball went way out of its way to get him in, and Pete went out of his way to stay out and has the BALLS to spin it the other way around.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:51 am to ballscaster
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He was given three chances. Each time, he accepted baseball's offer, and then reneged at the last minute. He will never get in, and Pete is 100% to blame. Baseball went way out of its way to get him in, and Pete went out of his way to stay out and has the BALLS to spin it the other way around.
Ok. That is all completely and wholey irrelevant to his Hall of Fame status. The all time hit leader bet on baseball. That small detail should be in the hall of fame. Or should we just continue to keep that happy warm feeling inside and pretend like it didnt happen?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:56 am to dnm3305
The all time Home Run leader used steroids in the back half of his career, although they were not banned at the time in the game, and was Public Enemy No.1 in one of the most infamous sports scandals of all time, Balco. That small detail, along with Bonds' "tainted" career (as if 95% of the players of any era dont fricking cheat) should be in the Hall of Fame. It happened. You cant make it disappear no matter how bad you want to. The Balco Scandal and the insane home run races leading up to it (McGwire/Sosa/Griffey) are responsible for resurrecting the dieing sport that baseball was. The commissioner turned a blind eye, relished in the attention and success and then found his scapegoat all in one term. Hell, Selig should be in the Hall of Fame for being such a piece of shite human being.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:59 am to dnm3305
quote:Nobody disagrees with the fact that he compiled the statistics he compiled.
That is all completely and wholey irrelevant to his Hall of Fame status. The all time hit leader bet on baseball.
quote:That small detail is included in the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. There are numerous exhibits celebrating the things Pete Rose did. The notable absence is a plaque bearing his likeness in the west wing of the building, labeled "Hall of Fame."
That small detail should be in the hall of fame.
quote:Nobody is pretending that anything didn't happen.
Or should we just continue to keep that happy warm feeling inside and pretend like it didnt happen?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:02 am to dnm3305
quote:No one has expressed any desire to make anything disappear. The regular use of this silly, overreactive rhetoric by you and countless others indicates that there are many in this debate who refuse to see another point of view. The reasons Pete is not in the Hall of Fame are logical and just and easy to understand.
You cant make it disappear no matter how bad you want to.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:03 am to ballscaster
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Nobody is pretending that anything didn't happen.
By not allowing a deserving and qualified great player into the Hall of Fame purely because he lacked integrity, you are pretending it didnt happen.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:04 am to ballscaster
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The reasons Pete is not in the Hall of Fame are logical and just and easy to understand.
All time Baseball Hit Leader =/= Hall of Flame Player.
Yes, completely logical.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:04 am to dnm3305
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By not allowing a deserving and qualified great player into the Hall of Fame purely because he lacked integrity, you are pretending it didnt happen
it is pretty absurd...he is the hits leader and always will be...and he didn't cheat to do it. What the HOF has to do with him rigging games is beyond me.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:05 am to dnm3305
quote:I am not disallowing Pete from entering the hall of fame. Also, all his notable accomplishments are memorialized in the museum.
By not allowing a deserving and qualified great player into the Hall of Fame purely because he lacked integrity,
quote:What am I pretending didn't happen?
you are pretending it didnt happen.
Just a bunch of childish rhetoric from people who refuse to see another point of view no matter how much sense it makes.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:07 am to dnm3305
quote:You're being selective about the argument because you are emotionally connected to it. You're basically being a chick now.
The reasons Pete is not in the Hall of Fame are logical and just and easy to understand. All time Baseball Hit Leader =/= Hall of Flame Player.
Yes, completely logical.
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