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re: The NFL has upheld Tom Brady's 4 game suspension
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:47 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:47 pm to WestCoastAg
THE BOURNE REDEMPTION
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:47 pm to molsusports
quote:These 2 have nothing to do with whether tampering took place.
Secondly, because similar tampering seems to be done by pretty near every NFL quarterback. Thirdly, because if tampering took place then the punishment should be appropriate (a fine).
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:50 pm to WDE24
come on man
you're passing by the point that tampering wasn't shown and then ignoring the fact that enforcement of the alleged tampering is being carried out irregularly and vindictively
you're passing by the point that tampering wasn't shown and then ignoring the fact that enforcement of the alleged tampering is being carried out irregularly and vindictively
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:53 pm to S
quote:
THE BOURNE REDEMPTION
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:54 pm to molsusports
quote:I already said based on a preponderance standard that it was shown.
you're passing by the point that tampering wasn't shown
quote:I can't speak to the irregularity part, but what is the motivation to be vindictive?
ignoring the fact that enforcement of the alleged tampering is being carried out irregularly and vindictively
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:54 pm to WDE24
quote:
Secondly, because similar tampering seems to be done by pretty near every NFL quarterback. Thirdly, because if tampering took place then the punishment should be appropriate (a fine).
These 2 have nothing to do with whether tampering took place.
You're ignoring a key portion of the due process.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:55 pm to WDE24
And for all the "Brady is bluffing" people
quote:
NFL Network reports the sides were "moving close" to a settlement that would have reduced Tom Brady's suspension to one game, but that the league refused to "seal" the records. For its part, the NFLPA called the report "rubbish." In a searing and vitriolic statement Tuesday afternoon, the players association also officially announced it would be appealing Brady's suspension to federal court.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:55 pm to lsupride87
Civil cases have the same burden of proof the NFL used: preponderance of the evidence
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:56 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:
He doesn't write very well for a lawyer. Or am I giving them too much credit?
he is writing for his audience, not a judge
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:57 pm to PAGator
quote:
Civil cases have the same burden of proof the NFL used: preponderance of the evidence
Except without a judge who is paid by the NFL to find what they want found
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:58 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:I haven't fully educated myself on it, but I think the nflpa, for some reason, agreed to the commissioner being initial judge and hearing appeals in the CBA.
You're ignoring a key portion of the due process.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:58 pm to Jcorye1
quote:the NFL usually does.
and the NFL will lose horribly in court.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:59 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:fwiw, it wouldn't matter because the nfl already filed. But I think they would have appealed regardless.
And for all the "Brady is bluffing" people
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:02 pm to PAGator
quote:
Civil cases have the same burden of proof the NFL used: preponderance of the evidence
But this time Brady and his attorneys will get to state their case in front of someone not named Roger Goodell and in front of someone who did not pay $5 million to write a report that was meant to reach a pre-determined conclusion.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:05 pm to RollTide1987
wonder how much money Brady is spending on his lawyers fighting this vs how much money he is missing from 4 games... probably pretty even at this point.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:05 pm to WDE24
quote:
I already said based on a preponderance standard that it was shown.
I'll take the Nobel laureate's opinion over yours or the NFL's. We're talking about an organization with a "truth is fuzzy" culture when it comes to science (as evidenced by who they put in charge of their head injury studies and how hard they fought to defend that idiocy).
quote:
I can't speak to the irregularity part, but what is the motivation to be vindictive?
The irregularly it obvious given the statements of other quarterbacks. The vindictive part is to intimidate other players and organizations into believing they stand no chance of fighting a judgment.
We're dealing with a stupid culture at the top of the NFL right now. They have no idea what they are doing with their player behavior policies and are just swinging in the breeze of social media judgments that stay relevant only as long as a twitter post.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:07 pm to molsusports
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:14 pm to molsusports
quote:That's fine. I choose not to overlook the text message and cell records evidence, combined with the psi testing. I think Brady will have an uphill legal battle.
I'll take the Nobel laureate's opinion over yours or the NFL's
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:19 pm to WDE24
quote:
I haven't fully educated myself on it, but I think the nflpa, for some reason, agreed to the commissioner being initial judge and hearing appeals in the CBA.
You're right. But the punishment for this or similar tampering crimes has always been a $20,000 fine. I posted a link to a story in this thread about the chargers in 2012 intentionally withholding footballs from the NFL that were found to have been tampered with by using a sticky substance... and they were fined $20,000. That's what I was specifically addressing.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:21 pm to oleyeller
quote:
The NFL also determined that the phone Brady used prior to the one he destroyed on or near March 6 had never been destroyed. In fact, it was made available to investigators.
Huh? Someone translate for me, please. That's either a poorly worded paragraph or my reading comprehension is down from where it should be.
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