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re: The Lost art of dribbling in basketball
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:13 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:13 pm to PrimeTime Money
In your destruction of one myth, you created another. I agree with you on modern defense, but..
That's simply not true either. Teams did know how to switch or how to play a pick and roll. Or play zone... that's why they passed a rule against it. Team defense most certainly existed in older NBA games. it wasn't like team defense was invented in 2001.
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Man-to-man back then consisted of literally following your man around the court wherever he went like a puppy dog. There was no concept of team defense.
That's simply not true either. Teams did know how to switch or how to play a pick and roll. Or play zone... that's why they passed a rule against it. Team defense most certainly existed in older NBA games. it wasn't like team defense was invented in 2001.
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:15 pm to stevo1905
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Of course. Your posts aren't complete unless you complain about them
Closet LSU fan?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:16 pm to WHATDOINO
You mad cause you don't have handling skills bro?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:28 pm to Baloo
quote:They did not play man to man back then like they do today.
Team defense most certainly existed in older NBA games. it wasn't like team defense was invented in 2001.
Watch this 4th quarter game of the '69 NBA Finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw
Players are following their man around and turning their back to the ball. On offense, there is no pick and roll, no real team offense.
It consists of a guy dribbling up the court, making 1 pass and somebody taking a jump shot. Or passing to the big man and he makes a hook shot. No off-ball movement except for maybe a cutter every now and then. All within about 10 seconds.
Basketball sucked back then.
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:34 pm to WHATDOINO
Prime example of people who don't know what the frick they're talking about just spewing the same shite over and over until they believe it.
The NBA is littered with excellent ball handlers.
The NBA is littered with excellent ball handlers.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 5:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
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You are way off base. The offenses today are so much better than they were in the past. They are much more complex, much more efficient, and is a night and day difference from the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc.
And team defense today is much better than it was in the past. I was watching the 1968 NBA Finals the other day, and they played old-school man-to-man. And I don't use "old school" in a good way.
Man-to-man back then consisted of literally following your man around the court wherever he went like a puppy dog. There was no concept of team defense.
Now, you have players working together on the pick and roll, either switching, running ICE, hedging, etc. It's much more complicated today. You don't stick on your man, you sag towards the middle when the ball is on the other side. Helping and recovering, rotating, etc. Rotations are a big part of defense. Defenders didn't used to rotate like today back in the 70's.
Defense today is in another stratosphere compared to back then. Same with offense.
GTFO team defense is better because: a) team have become waaaaaaaaaaaay over reliant on the 3 point shot
b) one on one scoring has gone to absolute shite.
There are literally 3 guys who are elite 1 on 1 inside/out scorers in the NBA and they are Melo, Kobe and Durant. Compared to say 1985 Gervin, King, Bird, Worthy, Aguirre, Kiki, Dantley, Dominique and English.
One on one offense has greatly devolved. Watching a guy back down in the post today is like seeing a unicorn. Same with a leaners, hook shots, finger rolls, scoop shots. And the only thing thats been added is the floater.
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 6:16 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:That makes no sense.
a) team have become waaaaaaaaaaaay over reliant on the 3 point shot
b) one on one scoring has gone to absolute shite.
A. The 3-point shot spreads the floor and makes it more difficult to play defense. It also results in more points scored per possession.
B. Tom Thibodeau had a big hand in starting a defensive wave in the NBA. His concepts have spread across the NBA and have made it much more difficult for star players to score. Loading the strong side, tagging players in the paint, and packing the paint which forces more long 2's.. the least efficient shots in basketball.
The pace of the game has also slowed a lot due to better defense. Slower pace = less scoring opportunities.
And of course, the rule changes made it more difficult for star players to score like they used to.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:50 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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The officials allow these guys to carry on almost every possession and these guys grabbing the ball and jumping ate traveling everytime but never get called.
They don't have to learn to dribble properly.
This is exactly what I'm trying to get across.
It seems that every player carries the ball every possession.
Basketball has changed in that regard
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:53 pm to WHATDOINO
I guess degradation of skills is too broad if a statement.
I can't help but notice every time I watch a game how many times modern players carry the ball while dribbling.
Am I seeing this wrong?
I can't help but notice every time I watch a game how many times modern players carry the ball while dribbling.
Am I seeing this wrong?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 8:55 pm to WHATDOINO
This is a thread with white people only. Complaining about fundamentals like ball handling and free throw shooting.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:10 pm to WHATDOINO
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It seems that every player carries the ball every possession.
Like someone else said, you simply don't understand the rule, then.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:11 pm to WHATDOINO
dp
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:17 pm to thesoccerfanjax
Here we go, the daily "Basketball sucks now because they have no fundamentals and back in my day..." Thread. 
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:22 pm to WHATDOINO
quote:The carrying rules have changed over time. But it's been a very long time since they changed.
This is exactly what I'm trying to get across.
It seems that every player carries the ball every possession.
Basketball has changed in that regard
Here is the rule with 3 video examples from the NBA. It's called a "discontinued dribble":
https://www.nba.com/videorulebook/category.html?cid=77
"Dribblers may not have any part of their hand under the ball, bringing their dribble to a pause, before continuing on with their dribble."
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:26 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Watch this 4th quarter game of the '69 NBA Finals
Pre-ABA basketball sort of sucked. When people talk about "back in the day" in the NBA, they are almost never referring to the 1960s.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 9:26 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Watching a guy back down in the post today is like seeing a unicorn
because it is almost always inefficient
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One on one offense has greatly devolved.
with all the driving in the NBA today, you're proving your place on the mantle in this thread
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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because it is almost always inefficient
so Phil Jackson won 11 championships with inefficent offense. Backing down in the post has been the catalyst for the offenses of damn near 80% of every NBA champion in history quote:Driving today is done from picks. I am talking about breaking your man down 1 on 1. You only see it done at an elite level from 3 players, Melo, Duran and Kobe. It is absolutely a lost art.
with all the driving in the NBA today, you're proving your place on the mantle in this thread
The hook shot, finger roll, leaner, and scoop shot have all essentially been vaporized from the game of basketball and 1 on 1 scoring has suffered greatly.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:51 pm to WHATDOINO
The shitty free throw shooting bothers me more than dribbling
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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at an elite level from 3 players
That all depends on your definition of elite
I'd say Durant, kobe, and melo are "hall of fame" level
Plenty of guys I would consider elite
Posted on 3/23/14 at 1:43 am to jg8623
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That all depends on your definition of elite
I'd say Durant, kobe, and melo are "hall of fame" level
Plenty of guys I would consider elite
I at a relatively equal level to Gervin, Dantley, Aguirre, Nique, Bird etc
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