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The Economist: Mr. Westbrook had a triple double season because he's selfish
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:58 am
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"Who wrote this?"
Selfish?
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OFF-SEASON drama in North America’s National Basketball Association (NBA) reached high gear on July 6th, when teams officially became able to sign free agents. Among the most momentous transactions so far has been the Oklahoma City Thunder’s acquisition of Paul George, a star small forward. Between him and Russell Westbrook, the league’s reigning Most Valuable Player, the team will present a formidable threat next year. Mr Westbrook needs the help. Last season he achieved an extraordinary statistical feat. Basketball's standard benchmark of virtuoso versatility is the “triple-double”: a game in which a player reaches double figures (ten or more) in three separate categories, usually points, rebounds and assists. Mr Westbrook managed to average a triple-double for an entire 82-game season. Only one player had ever done so before, all the way back in 1961-62.
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Nonetheless, despite this Titanic accomplishment, the Thunder were easily eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. It is hard to reconcile Mr Westbrook's magnificent handiwork with his club's lacklustre showing. But one plausible explanation is that Mr Westbrook may have focused more on maximising his own glory than on winning games. There is of course no way to know exactly what motivated Mr Westbrook. However, the overall pattern of players’ behaviour provides ample grounds for suspicion. Compiling large statistical totals is difficult, so it stands to reason that games with lots of rebounds or assists are rarer than those with just a few. For the league as a whole, the distributions match the expected pattern: there are fewer games with nine rebounds or assists than with eight, fewer with eight than with seven, and so on. Among players on the brink of a triple-double, however, there is a conspicuous discrepancy. Players who already have at least ten points and assists are more likely to finish a game with ten rebounds than with nine. Similarly, those who already have at least ten points and rebounds are nearly as likely to wind up with ten assists as with nine. The comparative dearth of games with eight or nine assists or rebounds, and surfeit of those with exactly ten, strongly suggests that players with the opportunity for a triple-double change their actions on the court in order to attain one. Their teammates, aware of the glory that a triple-double can bring, may also help things along. These adjustments suggest such players are distracted from playing to win. It is possible that Mr Westbrook is an exception to this pattern, and never took his eyes off the prize of victory. But if he was indeed guilty of “stat-padding”, next year is likely to be different. Now that he has matched the record, he may be less motivated to do so again. And Mr George’s arrival should make the Thunder a much stronger team. That will give Mr Westbrook a credible chance to play for a title, instead of mere individual renown.
"Who wrote this?"
Selfish?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:00 am to RedRifle
Y'all didn't know Boom writes for the Atlantic? Side job when he's not providing Daryl his analysis.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:00 am to RedRifle
I mean. He's not entirely wrong.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:03 am to GeauxWarTigers
quote:if he shot less, he'd still avg double digits points, and have more assists.
I mean. He's not entirely wrong.
He had a triple double because his team was shitty.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:09 am to RedRifle
Word around the league is that he would rather get his #s than win games. It's why he ran Kevin off.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:11 am to RedRifle
I think he needed to be selfish because Westbrook was their best chance to win. Selfish doesn't always mean bad.
However, he 100% stat padded his rebound numbers.
However, he 100% stat padded his rebound numbers.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:17 am to Winston Cup
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not the players mvp imo
Do they even do that anymore
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:23 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:His uncontested rebound percentage was right around the league average for guards; he just went after far more rebounds than other guards. He still had a number of deferred rebounds so if he really wanted to pad his rebounding stats, he should have stop deferring.
However, he 100% stat padded his rebound numbers.
And as shel has posted multiple times, and I hope he does again, the Thunder were much more efficient offensively following a Westbrook rebound because he could immediately push it up the court.
In other words, this "stat padding" argument is largely nonsense, and seems to be largely associated with fans of a certain team whose best player was competing with Westbrook for the NBA MVP.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:29 am to buckeye_vol
quote:I was thinking that as I read your 1st paragraph.
And as shel has posted multiple times, and I hope he does again, the Thunder were much more efficient offensively following a Westbrook rebound because he could immediately push it up the court.
I don't feel like finding the graphic, but as you said, OKC was much more efficient in a possession after a Westbrook rebound, compared to any other player. I think it was an eFG% of .550 vs .500, or along those lines.
They also got a shot up much quicker, because(and I still have no clue how others disagree with this) OKC can get out on a break decidedly quicker on average after a Westbrook rebound as opposed to another player getting the rebound and having to find Westbrook for the outlet pass.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:38 am to Boomshockalocka
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Word around the league is
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:40 am to buckeye_vol
There are stats I could pull up that show that Westbrook's shot contesting was terrible because he gave a half-assed contest so that he could go troll for rebounds.
He was 100% stat padding his rebound numbers on his own, and his team was inflating his rebounding numbers by design. Even Westbrook supporters admit that his team let him grab the rebounds on purpose that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
The only reason he averaged a triple double was because his team inflated his rebounds by design. It would be impressive if he grabbed those boards due to skill and hustle. But he was grabbing them because his teammates let him at the expense of their own stats.
He was 100% stat padding his rebound numbers on his own, and his team was inflating his rebounding numbers by design. Even Westbrook supporters admit that his team let him grab the rebounds on purpose that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
The only reason he averaged a triple double was because his team inflated his rebounds by design. It would be impressive if he grabbed those boards due to skill and hustle. But he was grabbing them because his teammates let him at the expense of their own stats.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:41 am to RedRifle
Hot takes from last November are still hot.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:43 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I am completely shocked by the responses in this thread
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:49 am to RedRifle
The argument that he hurt his team with the way he played doesn't jive with the fact that they outperformed their talent level. That team had no business being well over .500.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:55 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:But the question is...were they just wanting him to get more rebounds, or was it because the offense was decidedly better when he got a rebound going the other way?
He was 100% stat padding his rebound numbers on his own, and his team was inflating his rebounding numbers by design. Even Westbrook supporters admit that his team let him grab the rebounds on purpose that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:57 am to AU_251
I posted a interview 5+ times bubba do you need me to post it again?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:00 pm to DallasTiger45
quote:I disagree with this. First of all, the Thunder finished almost exactly where they were predicted to finish.
The argument that he hurt his team with the way he played doesn't jive with the fact that they outperformed their talent level. That team had no business being well over .500.
Secondly, it's a complete myth that the team had no talent or they "had no business being well over .500".
They had Westbrook. They had Victor Olidipo, and while he wasn't great on the Thunder, that's the team's problem. He was good with Orlando. Enes Kanter was thought of as a good player before he went to OKC. Even this past season he had a PER of 23.7. Steven Adams is known to be a solid center. They had Taj Gibson. He's known as a very solid player. Andre Roberson is known as a lock-down defender.
They had a solid team that finished right about where they were expected to.
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