- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The answer is an 8 team playoff set up this way
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:47 pm to Allthatfades
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:47 pm to Allthatfades
quote:
8 teams:
- The power 5 conference Champs
- The highest ranked non power 5 team
- 2 at larges (wild cards)
This is close to my preference as well. The only thing I would change is the Power/Group of 5 garbage. First, any team in the top 4 is in the playoff. Then, any conference champion in the top 12 fills the remaining spots. If spots still remain, the rest are the highest ranked at-large options.
Since 2007, using the Massey Composite for each year to pick at-large teams, here are your playoffs (Massey Composite ranking in parentheses):
2007
(1) LSU - SEC vs (10) USC - Pac-10
(2) Ohio State - B10 vs (7) Kansas - at-large
(3) Oklahoma - B12 vs (6) WVU - Big East
(4) VT - ACC vs (5) Mizzou - at-large
2008
(1) Oklahoma - B12 vs (9) Boise St. - WAC
(2) UF - SEC vs (8) Utah - MWC
(3) Texas - Top 4 vs (6) Penn St. - B10
(4) USC - Pac-10 vs (5) Texas Tech - at-large
2009
(1) Alabama - SEC vs (9) Ohio St. - B10
(2) Texas - B12 vs (7) Boise St. - WAC
(3) UF - Top 4 vs (6) Oregon - P10
(4) TCU - MWC vs (5) Cincy - Big East
2010
(1) Oregon - P10 vs (9) Wisconsin - B10
(2) Auburn - SEC vs (7) Ohio St. - at-large
(3) TCU - MWC vs (6) Oklahoma - B12
(4) Stanford - Top 4 vs (5) Boise St. - WAC
2011
(1) LSU - SEC vs (8) Wisconsin - B10
(2) Alabama - Top 4 vs (7) Oklahoma - at-large
(3) Oklahoma St. - B12 vs (6) Boise St. - at-large
(4) Stanford - Top 4 vs (5) Oregon - P10
2012
(1) Notre Dame - Top 4 vs (8) Georgia - at-large
(2) Alabama - SEC vs (7) Texas A&M - at-large
(3) Oregon - Top 4 vs (Stanford) - Pac-12
(4) Florida - Top 4 vs (5) Kansas St. - B12
2013
(1) Florida St - ACC vs (8) Missouri - at-large
(2) Alabama - Top 4 vs (7) Michigan St. - B10
(3) Stanford - Pac-12 vs (6) Ohio St. - at-large
(4) Auburn - SEC vs (5) Baylor - B12
2014
(1) Alabama - SEC vs (8) Miss St. - at-large
(2) Oregon - Pac-12 vs (7) Ole Miss - at-large
(3) TCU - Top 4 vs (6) Baylor - B12
(4) Ohio St. - B10 vs (5) Florida St. - ACC
2015
(1) Alabama - SEC vs (8) Iowa - at-large
(2) Clemson - ACC vs (7) Notre Dame - at-large
(3) Oklahoma - B12 vs (6) Stanford - Pac-12
(4) Ohio St. - Top 4 vs (5) Michigan St. - B10
2016
(1) Alabama - SEC vs (10) Western Michigan - MAC
(2) Ohio St. - Top 4 vs (8) Oklahoma - B12
(3) Washington - P12 vs (6) Penn St. - B10
(4) Clemson - ACC vs (5) Michigan - at-large
In 10 years, this method would have left out only one conference champion in lieu of an at-large selection from that conference - in 2011 TCU won the MWC but finished 18th in the rankings, so Boise St. got an at-large bid as the #6 team in the country.
Italicized teams are teams that finished outside the composite top eight but received a bid based on their conference championship. Teams left out with higher rankings than the lowest seed would have been #8 UGA and #9 Florida in 2007, #7 Alabama in 2008, #8 Virginia Tech in 2009, #8 Arkansas in 2010, and #7 Wisconsin and #9 USC in 2016. Sign me up for that please.
0
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:49 pm to Allthatfades
quote:
The answer is an 8 team playoff
No, it is not. The answer was the BCS title game.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:51 pm to Jester
quote:
No, it is not. The answer was the BCS title game.
It would have Alabama vs Ohio State this year. If that is acceptable to you, fine, but I'll pass.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:58 pm to slackster
quote:That's completely acceptable to me and would be my preference to watch in the title game this season. That's just based on best game to watch, I want Bama to lose to Washington by 3000 points.
It would have Alabama vs Ohio State this year. If that is acceptable to you, fine, but I'll pass.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:02 pm to slackster
quote:
It would have Alabama vs Ohio State this year. If that is acceptable to you, fine, but I'll pass.
Totally fine with me, they are the 2 best teams in the country. If someone's best argument can only get them even with 2, they don't deserve to end as #1.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:10 pm to shel311
One of my biggest gripes with the system is the idea that Ohio State was better off losing their division after they beat Michigan. If PSU goes out there and loses to Michigan State, Ohio State would have faced Wisconsin in what likely would have been a play-in game for the 4th playoff spot. Instead, by losing their division, they didn't have to risk their CFP fate by playing for the conference title.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:10 pm to Jester
quote:Agreed.
Totally fine with me, they are the 2 best teams in the country
And I know that is subjective but the one thing I really don't understand, those calling for the P5 conf champs to all make a playoff...it's just a different way to pick a playoff. I keep hearing about the subjectivity, the subjectivity is still there, you're just finding a concrete way to pick playoff teams without actually picking the top 4, 8 or 12 or 16 or whatever.
With schedules as imbalanced as they are, it just doesn't seem logical for me and also devalues non-conference games again.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:12 pm to slackster
quote:While I don't disagree, and this certainly is a playing the result answer, this was only so because they made it.
One of my biggest gripes with the system is the idea that Ohio State was better off losing their division after they beat Michigan. If PSU goes out there and loses to Michigan State, Ohio State would have faced Wisconsin in what likely would have been a play-in game for the 4th playoff spot. Instead, by losing their division, they didn't have to risk their CFP fate by playing for the conference title.
But none of us were certain they had made it so even though losing their division seemingly helped in the long run, we simply didn't know at the time, and I think that matters.
I guess my main point is, they lost the ability to control their own destiny, as much as one team can in a system where technically no team controls their own destiny.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:34 pm to Allthatfades
quote:
8 teams:
- The power 5 conference Champs
- The highest ranked non power 5 team
- 2 at larges (wild cards)
I'm OK with this as long as ALL of the Conferences change to the Big 12 Format for next season. BEST 2 Teams in the conference get to play for the conference title... REGARDLESS OF DIVISIONS!! I think they hit a homerun with this one.
Ohio St. would have played Penn St. this year and settled it on the field.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:35 pm to Jester
quote:
Totally fine with me, they are the 2 best teams in the country. If someone's best argument can only get them even with 2, they don't deserve to end as #1.
As evidenced by what? They play 8-9 games within their conference, perhaps 1 good OOC opponent, and then 2-3 creampuffs. There is so little data to cross-reference and determine how good/bad a team really is compared to the rest of the country.
We think a team like Ohio State is good because, first and foremost, they've got the Jimmys and Joes. Then we look at their win over Oklahoma as a big feather in the cap, but that team was also beat by a relatively mediocre Houston team and really just feasted on a bad Big 12 to get to 10 wins. We've got Michigan who beat Colorado OOC, but that game was 31-28 Michigan with 10 minutes to play in the 3rd, and Colorado had just returned a punt to the Michigan 44 yard line when they had to finish the game with their back up QB. Michigan looked bad against Wisconsin and didn't leave the state but 3 times - losing two of those games. Penn State is built on their win over OSU, but no good team loses by 39. Wisconsin beat one team all year in the top 20 - a 4-loss LSU. Nebraska is one of the biggest frauds in the country. So on and so forth.
You could do that for many of the teams in the country. The idea that enough football has been played to whittle it down to 2 or 4 teams is simply incorrect.
That is also why I've got a problem disregarding conference championships outright. The SEC member schools have decided that their conference format, including divisions and conference championship game, will decide who is the best team in their conference. The other conferences have done the same. Given such isolated data points, who is the CFP committee to step in and tell them they're wrong?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:37 pm to reggo75
quote:
I'm OK with this as long as ALL of the Conferences change to the Big 12 Format for next season. BEST 2 Teams in the conference get to play for the conference title... REGARDLESS OF DIVISIONS!! I think they hit a homerun with this one.
That will be riveting when teams play each other in back to back weeks.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:38 pm to shel311
quote:
While I don't disagree, and this certainly is a playing the result answer, this was only so because they made it.
But none of us were certain they had made it so even though losing their division seemingly helped in the long run, we simply didn't know at the time, and I think that matters.
I guess my main point is, they lost the ability to control their own destiny, as much as one team can in a system where technically no team controls their own destiny.
If you go up to Urban on Wednesday of last week and ask him if they'd rather play Wisconsin in a rematch or preserve their 11-1 record, what do you believe his genuine answer would be? Man to man, I think he'd tell you they'd take their chances at 11-1 and #2 in the CFP at that point.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:50 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
That will be riveting when teams play each other in back to back weeks.
I think it would have been great if Penn St. was out of the picture for OSU/Mich to have played again the following week with the conference title/playoff bid on the line. Riveting indeed!! That was a great game the first time.
You could get some Ala/Aub or Ala/LSU conference title games... no more 1-loss 2nd best team in a division losing out on a tie breaker while an 8-3 Florida team goes from the other division.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:51 pm to slackster
quote:idk man. I think he'd want to play.
Man to man, I think he'd tell you they'd take their chances at 11-1 and #2 in the CFP at that point.
With that said, their odds of getting in over either Wisc/Penn state were clearly higher than their odds of beating Wisc (~60%)
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:55 pm to Allthatfades
Just set criteria before the season.
4 Is enough.
4 Is enough.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:55 pm to shel311
quote:
Also, you think this will stop the #3 at large team and #2 non power 5 team from screaming and making their case?
This changes nothing IMO.
Better to have a 2 loss non-champion complaining than a conference champion or 1 loss team.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:56 pm to Allthatfades
quote:
This playoff would protect the integrity of the regular season and make the conference championship games relevant.
what it would really do is make it where a team like Ohio State is better off not being in the CCG.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:58 pm to Allthatfades
quote:Stopped right there. Amateur idea.
- The power 5 conference Champs
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
Good point. This year, they had to at least sweat a little. With 8, they'd be in fo sho.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:21 pm to Allthatfades
My idea has always been 6 team playoff. Top 6 conference champions using a BCS computer ranking for seeding. The conferences are responsible for declaring their champion. The top 2 teams get bye weeks. Seed 3 and 4 play the games at home. The top 2 seeds play the second round at home. The championship is a rotating neutral site location.
This makes regular season conference games important. Big time OOC games can boost your resume for better seeding. The home games are bigger rewards for seeding and improve the college game atmosphere.
Hypothetical 2016 Playoffs:
Round 1
Game 1: (5) Oklahoma at (4) Penn State
Game 2: (6) Western Michigan at (3) Washington
Round 2
Game 3: Best Seed to Advance from Round 1 at (2) Clemson
Game 4: Worst Seed to Advance from Round 1 at (1) Alabama
Round 3
National Championship: G3W vs G4W in Tampa, FL
If the conferences went closer to a non division title game setting it would serve as a play in game to the playoffs potentially. It would be epic imo.
This makes regular season conference games important. Big time OOC games can boost your resume for better seeding. The home games are bigger rewards for seeding and improve the college game atmosphere.
Hypothetical 2016 Playoffs:
Round 1
Game 1: (5) Oklahoma at (4) Penn State
Game 2: (6) Western Michigan at (3) Washington
Round 2
Game 3: Best Seed to Advance from Round 1 at (2) Clemson
Game 4: Worst Seed to Advance from Round 1 at (1) Alabama
Round 3
National Championship: G3W vs G4W in Tampa, FL
If the conferences went closer to a non division title game setting it would serve as a play in game to the playoffs potentially. It would be epic imo.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 4:43 pm
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News