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re: That stupid Will Smith movie attacking the NFL - "concussion"
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:10 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:10 pm to shel311
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The NFL had a moral, maybe not legal though that's up for debate too, obligation to share the info with their players
the information is publicly available. "sharing" isn't an issue when information is in the public domain
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:12 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Letting corporations kill you for profit. A real man, hates change for the betterment of the common man.
the NFL engages in collective bargaining and isn't killing consumers. your arguments lack any validity whatsoever
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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A real man like you likes to be taken advantage and owned by corporate America like a giant ignorant pussy.
I wonder how much tax money and corporate welfare have been received by the NFL and other professional leagues compared to food stamps. Because you only hear outrage from them when poor people exploit the system. When corporations do that, that's because they're "smart businessmen."
I'm not a fan of my money going to either of them. Both exploit the middle class that is stuck with both of them.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:that's a good point Idk why it's not mentioned more.
2. it's not the NFL's job. that is the job of the NFLPA. if there is a "villain", it's the union whose duty is to protec the players
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:24 pm to beaverfever
because the media leans very liberal and is hesitant to criticize their brothers in arms. plus the NFL is a much better "bad guy". ignorant masses will rally around an "evil corporation" (see: this thread) than think critically about an issue
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:25 pm to beaverfever
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that's a good point Idk why it's not mentioned more.
That's because we define "protect the players" as maximizing their profits and guaranteed money. Everybody thinks short-term and instant gratification, and they are willing to sacrifice everything else for that.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:28 pm to lsutigers1992
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That's because we define "protect the players" as maximizing their profits and guaranteed money. Everybody thinks short-term and instant gratification, and they are willing to sacrifice everything else for that.
what does this have to do with collective bargaining responsibilities?
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:35 pm to theunknownknight
I'm a fan of Will Smith, but I don't care about this movie and won't be seeing it.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think he was referring to the union's goals in collective bargaining. I don't think it was a condemnation of the league.
what does this have to do with collective bargaining responsibilities?
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:41 pm to Scruffy
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They aren't dastardly, but don't act like the NFL wasn't shady as frick with this whole concussion issue. They deserve to be reamed for how they managed it.
eh, there's an element of common sense to be had by an individual who is hitting other people for a living.
Not to mention players constantly talking, with pride, about lying to trainers so they didn't have to come off the field. That generation of NFL players bragged and bragged and bragged about playing hurt and refusing to come off the field.
Now all of a sudden, they had no idea they were hurt, and talk about how the big bad mean NFL made them ruin their health.
Gimme a break.
In any case, I won't be going to see this movie. Looks awful.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:41 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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The NFL covered up thier knowledge on the issues of concussions. It is the sake thing that big tobacco did with cancer links to smoking.
Do you get paid millions of dollars to smoke cigarettes?
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:51 pm to beaverfever
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I think he was referring to the union's goals in collective bargaining. I don't think it was a condemnation of the league.
The average NFL player is more Case Keenum than Tom Brady. The biggest goal of players like that is to be set for life before they're out of football at age 28.
When they go to the bargaining table, the NFL knows that and knows that they will sacrifice everything else for economic security. And when a collective bargaining agreement is met, the union can go their players and say "WE WON!" Then when the Case Keenums of the world face onset dementia by age 40, they feel cheated and it's too late. But no 24 year old is ever worried about what his life will be like in 20 years. And the moment the NFLPA gets paternalistic with them, the leadership will be out of a job and they will be labeled as "ineffective" by the public and by the media.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:53 pm to JG77056
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There were two roads I could've taken with my response. I chose the high road . Somebody will be along shortly to take the other path.
you arent really taking the high road if you have to say you are taking the high road
Posted on 12/13/15 at 1:56 pm to lsutigers1992
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When they go to the bargaining table, the NFL knows that and knows that they will sacrifice everything else for economic security. And when a collective bargaining agreement is met, the union can go their players and say "WE WON!" Then when the Case Keenums of the world face onset dementia by age 40, they feel cheated and it's too late. But no 24 year old is ever worried about what his life will be like in 20 years. And the moment the NFLPA gets paternalistic with them, the leadership will be out of a job and they will be labeled as "ineffective" by the public and by the media.
hey that looks great, but who are the chefs?
what does this have to do with NFL culpability?
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:00 pm to Ostrich
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Do you get paid millions of dollars to smoke cigarettes?
NFL players didn't knowingly take that risk on and to hide that health risk is obviously wrong
You're also missing the millions who play football but not in the NFL and have these issues
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what does this have to do with NFL culpability?
I never said the NFL was the villain. I said the issue is complicated as frick and everybody (NFL, players, public, media) all have a degree of culpability. Welcome to America, where I want mine right now and screw the consequences.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:12 pm to lsutigers1992
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Welcome to America, where I want mine right now and screw the consequences.
eh. the research is continuous and still ongoing. even if they wanted protocols a decade ago, i don't think they had the science yet
hell plenty of players who are playing today don't want/like the protocols or rule changes aimed at helping concussions
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what does this have to do with NFL culpability?
Playing the "perfect world" card, it's always shitty when somebody in power takes advantage of the desperate and ignorant. And it happens so often that it's accepted practice and buyer beware.
For example, if an employer went to its already underpaid employees and told them that they will get a $1,000 Christmas bonus if they agree to give up their health insurance, wouldn't a lot of short-sighted people take that deal? I know the response is that that's why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. But that seems shady to me to make an offer like that in the first place.
But it doesn't matter because things like that just happen.
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Again, this is completely irrelevant to my point.
the information is publicly available. "sharing" isn't an issue when information is in the public domain
The NFL had a moral obligation here, I don't even think that's up for debate, not sure why you'd try to, to be honest .
Posted on 12/13/15 at 2:51 pm to lsutigers1992
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I know the response is that that's why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. But that seems shady to me to make an offer like that in the first place.
so you are saying certain people are incapable of making their own decisions
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