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TEXAS/OU National Championship game
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:48 am
Not as crazy as you think. If Florida beats Bama, Texas probably stays above Florida in the computers. Its a solid 3 spot lead right now, which will dwindle some with a big win over Bama, but how much? Can Utah and TT maintain a bit of a wedge between the two? Maybe. Best case scenario for Texas (other than an Mizzou upset) would be the human polls to look like:
1. OU (unanimous)
2. Florida (unanimous)
3. Texas (unanimous)
Then Texas would only need to be up 2 spots in the computers. Now I don't think that happens. Florida probably gets at least half of the 1st place votes. Moreover, USC probably takes some 3rd place votes. That would be enough to overcome any computer edge Texas has.
Texas would probably need a UCLA upset (every votes counts), an ugly win by Florida (how is a win over a #1 team ugly?), a blowout by OU, and some stubborn Texas voters mad that they got left out. I think all this is unlikely, but it is more likely than say a 2-loss LSU team making the NC.
1. OU (unanimous)
2. Florida (unanimous)
3. Texas (unanimous)
Then Texas would only need to be up 2 spots in the computers. Now I don't think that happens. Florida probably gets at least half of the 1st place votes. Moreover, USC probably takes some 3rd place votes. That would be enough to overcome any computer edge Texas has.
Texas would probably need a UCLA upset (every votes counts), an ugly win by Florida (how is a win over a #1 team ugly?), a blowout by OU, and some stubborn Texas voters mad that they got left out. I think all this is unlikely, but it is more likely than say a 2-loss LSU team making the NC.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 10:50 am
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:52 am to lsumatt
LSU has like 5 loses lol
I think there's absolutely no chance of that, it'll be some combination of OU/UT vs Bama/UF depending on how the teams fair in the conference championships.
I think there's absolutely no chance of that, it'll be some combination of OU/UT vs Bama/UF depending on how the teams fair in the conference championships.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:55 am to lsumatt
matt, what about the unlikely scenerio of UF-Bama in the national championship game? How likely/unlikely if that? Bama only falling to #2 with UF moving up to #1. What say you?
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:57 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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matt, what about the unlikely scenerio of UF-Bama in the national championship game? How likely/unlikely if that? Bama only falling to #2 with UF moving up to #1. What say you?
I think Bama's computer score would be too weak, and the voters would likely punish them more than just #2 if they lose, especially with Texas right there (assuming of course that you are also assuming OU loses).
Posted on 12/1/08 at 10:58 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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what about the unlikely scenerio of UF-Bama in the national championship game?
ZERO. Bama gets hammered in the computers. Bama falls far in the human polls too (maybe as far 7)
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:00 am to lsumatt
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ZERO. Bama gets hammered in the computers. Bama falls far in the human polls too (maybe as far 7)
I figured as much. But hey, precedence was set in '03, and with the computers not caring when you lose, and with Bama being able to claim to have the most "quality loss", I had to ask the question.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:01 am to lsumatt
So, there is a possibility of a team that didn't win their division of their conference making it to the NC Game. 
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:03 am to Slickback
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So, there is a possibility of a team that didn't win their division of their conference making it to the NC Game
yep nebraska 2001
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:07 am to Slickback
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So, there is a possibility of a team that didn't win their division of their conference making it to the NC Game.
Of course. In fact if Mizzou beats OU, then Texas DEFINITELY goes to the NC game
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:10 am to lsumatt
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Not as crazy as you think. If Florida beats Bama, Texas probably stays above Florida in the computers. Its a solid 3 spot lead right now, which will dwindle some with a big win over Bama, but how much? Can Utah and TT maintain a bit of a wedge between the two? Maybe. Best case scenario for Texas (other than an Mizzou upset) would be the human polls to look like:
I would disagree. Florida's beating Bama will add a very tough win to their schedule in a week when Texas doesn't even play.
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, an ugly win by Florida (how is a win over a #1 team ugly?),
Heck - our win over UT was "ugly" last year. We were on track to lose 14-13 when Zenon (sp?) got that pic-6 (pic-8?)
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:10 am to lsumatt
I really hope this doesn't happen. I think Florida or Bama could bet either one of those teams. And if the SEC teams don't even to play, please, the BCS would be a joke.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:11 am to lsumatt
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Of course. In fact if Mizzou beats OU, then Texas DEFINITELY goes to the NC game
Yep. It would make so much more sense to have OU play Texas and Bammer play Florida - that would be a perfect 4 team playoff.
Though I think maybe 8 teams makes more sense. Take Utah. They're in a crap conference but they have beaten 2 top 25 teams.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 11:14 am to HusseinTiger
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Florida's beating Bama will add a very tough win to their schedule in a week when Texas doesn't even play.
Sure, but overall Texas probably has the edge (just not as big as the one they have now). We know for sure Texas stays above UF in the Colley Matrix.
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Heck - our win over UT was "ugly" last year. We were on track to lose 14-13 when Zenon (sp?) got that pic-6 (pic-8?)
Right, but it didn't hurt us. and that was against a #15 team. What could Florida possibly do to unimpress voters while still beating the #1 team? Nothing outside of maybe terrible game-changing calls.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:30 pm to lsumatt
Matt,
If the colley matrix is a proxy, the amount of 'gain' Florida garnered, if reflected in the other comps, should shrink the advantage enough that a mix of 1-2 votes for Florida from humanoids with 3 votes for Texas gets them in
If the colley matrix is a proxy, the amount of 'gain' Florida garnered, if reflected in the other comps, should shrink the advantage enough that a mix of 1-2 votes for Florida from humanoids with 3 votes for Texas gets them in
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:38 pm to lsumatt
Also in the Anderson, noting Okie got a .12 jump for beating Okie St, I suspect Florida would get that plus some for beating bama... that would pull them right to Texas.
Looking at Sagarin, and using Texas Tech current score as the proxy... the Florida win over a top 10 should propel them atleast to Texas level.
Billingsley will widen lead for Florida over Texas
These alone should get Florida there with a W
Looking at Sagarin, and using Texas Tech current score as the proxy... the Florida win over a top 10 should propel them atleast to Texas level.
Billingsley will widen lead for Florida over Texas
These alone should get Florida there with a W
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:51 pm to Slickback
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So, there is a possibility of a team that didn't win their division of their conference making it to the NC Game
Its happended before, but really a team that is in a 3-way tie, is #3 in the BCS and beat the #2 team in the BCS by 10 and whose only loss came on a last second TD on the road, is not your typical "didn't win their division" team.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Its happended before, but really a team that is in a 3-way tie, is #3 in the BCS and beat the #2 team in the BCS by 10 and whose only loss came on a last second TD on the road, is not your typical "didn't win their division" team.
I have always been of the opinion that with everything being "equal" (same number of losses, the loss is to a comparable team, sos is similar) that the team that won their conference should get the nod. Like in '03, I think it should have been LSU-USC. Now I know their is no such rule, so this opinion is just that, an opinion to what I would think would be a good stipulation in the process. In this years' case, IF OU loses, my argument would pit UF vs USC. Bama is out for losing SEC CG, OU is out for losing Big 12 CG, Texas is out for not winning Big 12. Having said all of that, I really kind of agree with your argument that Texas is not your typical team that didn't win their conf. And if it came down to this, I'm not so sure who I would think was more deserving, USC or Texas. That rant got long, sorry.
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