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re: Texas also told players not to publically commit
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:02 pm to RB10
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:02 pm to RB10
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I was saying i thought Strong was doing something like this yesterday. I don't think his purpose was to screw over other programs, but to have a big NSD.
His purpose was to have these "uncommitted" kids go to big recruiting days at other programs and try to convince fellow recruits to come to Texas. It happened at Arkansas and it happened at A&M.
He is the Tywin Lannister of college football- a midget full of treachery.
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
I love how y'all have some fantasy about recruiting being honorable. It isn't. Not from the recruit side and not from the coaches side. Everyone plays game. Even LSU. Shocking, right?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:04 pm to Grandioso
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Maybe so. I didn't see it coming and it was one hell of a surprise. I knew we were in the mix on some kids, but you never really can tell what they'll do. It was awesome and an exciting day for sure.
Let me be clear, I don't think he was telling the kids to lie to other coaches or anything. I just think he told them that if they wanted to sign with UT, to wait until NSD and make an announcement.
It's really not a bad strategy if you're looking for exposure. UT was all over ESPN yesterday because of it.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:05 pm to RB10
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I don't think his purpose was to screw over other programs,
The purpose like the LSU/Texas situation already mentioned is that LSU had to eat a scholarship or give it to a lesser player at the last minute.
It absolutely screws other programs. LSU's weakest position the last 10 years on defense has almost always been linebacker. They need linebackers. They had their signature linebacker in their class. He committed to LSU and had zero intention of honoring it and he knew it. This puts LSU in a bind. If he was a DB or WR, not so much in LSU's case.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:06 pm to lsutigers1992
Do you really believe LSU put all their eggs in one basket with Fowler? This is recruiting. Coaches know that anything can happen. LSU just can't recruit linebackers.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:07 pm to TheOcean
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I love how y'all have some fantasy about recruiting being honorable. It isn't. Not from the recruit side and not from the coaches side. Everyone plays game. Even LSU. Shocking, right?
Amen. Players commit to schools only to find their offer is being reduced to a grey shirt or is pulled days before signing day. Players commit to ____ school because they want to play for ____ position coach or _____ coordinator. They sign and two weeks later, the coordinator they wanted to play for bolts to another school or the NFL.
Likewise, players commit to a school and on signing day, "switch hats" to a different school. Maybe they didn't want to play for the original school. Maybe the had outside pressure. Maybe they didn't like that other players of the same position committed to the school.
It changes like a drop of a hat and it's a dirty business.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:07 pm to TheOcean
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I love how y'all have some fantasy about recruiting being honorable. It isn't. Not from the recruit side and not from the coaches side.
I just have no idea why a recruit would not be honorable
I get the coaches
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:08 pm to lsutigers1992
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It absolutely screws other programs. LSU's weakest position the last 10 years on defense has almost always been linebacker. They need linebackers. They had their signature linebacker in their class. He committed to LSU and had zero intention of honoring it and he knew it. This puts LSU in a bind. If he was a DB or WR, not so much in LSU's case.
Sure, but that's only on Strong if he told the kids to lie to the other coaches and tell them they were solid, which I don't think he did.
Telling them not to commit to UT until late =/= lead on the schools you are currently committed to. That falls squarely on the recruit who should have the integrity to at least inform a staff that they do not intend to enroll.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:08 pm to cardboardboxer
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He is the Tywin Lannister of college football- a midget full of treachery.
Tyrion?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:08 pm to Grandioso
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Likewise, players commit to a school and on signing day, "switch hats" to a different school. Maybe they didn't want to play for the original school. Maybe the had outside pressure. Maybe they didn't like that other players of the same position committed to the school.
Or they're 17 and just want some national media attention. It's just one big game.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
Because a recruit knows they could get screwed right before NSD and lose their slot, or a program just cools on them. Happens every year.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
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I just have no idea why a recruit would not be honorable
They are 17 and 18 years old. They are easily swayed and swooned. They are catered to like they are kings on recruiting trips. Also, their emotions change as quickly as the way the wind blows. Then, factor in family pressure, friends, proximity to home, education (if truthfully pursuing), national exposure, girls....
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:11 pm to TheOcean
What? Neither Fowler nor Manuel were in danger of losing their slot.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to TheOcean
Does Cholly keep his job with a 7-5 or 6-6 record?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to Grandioso
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They are 17 and 18 years old. They are easily swayed and swooned.
I get that and I get why kids flip
Its the lying part that I have a problem with.
goddamn how are y'all not getting this?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:13 pm to Salmon
I'm just saying both sides need to keep all options open until the ink hits the paper.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:13 pm to sms151t
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That makes no sense. What is your issue? They did not publicly announce their intention? I
they already had publicly announced intention by committing to a school. i'd imagine most re-assured the coaching staff of the school that they had voluntarily committed to that they were still on board.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:14 pm to TheOcean
I'm sure LSU had other options, but its kinda late to do anything about it when the other options probably signed LOI an hour after they realized they got screwed
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:16 pm to TheOcean
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I'm just saying both sides need to keep all options open until the ink hits the paper.
keeping your options open does not require deceit
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:21 pm to sms151t
The bigger problem for me isn't that he told kids to lie.
He trumpets his "core values" shtick and the number one thing on that list is honesty.
That is some straight up politician style sleaze for him to sit there preaching as if his program has some sort of moral high ground when the very first thing he asks kids to do is to lie.
He trumpets his "core values" shtick and the number one thing on that list is honesty.
That is some straight up politician style sleaze for him to sit there preaching as if his program has some sort of moral high ground when the very first thing he asks kids to do is to lie.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 12:24 pm
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