Started By
Message

Stolen from Reddit: Brian Windhorst story of how the NBA screwed OKC's plans

Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:10 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35319 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:10 am
LINK to the reddit thread.


quote:

So here’s the thing guys, I have to step in here, you cannot look at that trade and say either/or. The Thunder were the product of their own misjudgements but they were the product of some terrible misfortune along the way. And one of the misfortunes was in 2011 a new CBA came in with extremely penal luxury tax penalties and as part of that CBA, without Durant even asking for it, [the league] grandfathered his contract in to giving him the ‘Rose provision’. When the CBA opened (the next year) it was like “by the way, you now have a luxury tax that’s twice or three times as penal as it was before, when you were planning your team. Oh and by the way, we decided we’re giving Kevin Durant three more million dollars over every year of his contract” and the Thunder we’re like “umm…WHAT?!” And it was such a bad deal for the Thunder that the league later refunded them the money but it was too late because they had to make the decision on Harden. Now if you wanna retort and say…
Someone else on the panel interrupts with a big “wait, whaaat?” because, like me, they can’t believe this shite either


BW (cont.)


“…So as you know, there’s this thing called the ‘Rose provision’. It was called the ‘Rose provision’ but it might as well have been called the ‘Durant provision’ because he was the first person to actually get it. (It allows a player) to get extra money if you made two all NBA teams or were voted into two all-star games. Durant had signed his extension before the CBA and it was kicking in as soon as the new CBA came in. He didn’t have the opportunity to get the ‘Rose provision’ (in this contract because it didn’t exist when he was negotiating his contract). And somewhere in the lawyering…
Amin Elhassan jumps in to mention that the Rose Provision is negotiable between the player and the team from 25%-30% of the cap. However, in Durant’s case the league gave him the full 30% retrospectively without negotiation.

BW (cont.)


“They just gave it to him and it was a crazy decision and pardon my podcast French but they absolutely screwed the Thunder on it. Now, you’re gonna say “what are you complaining about? So what you have to give KD more money” but it screwed the Thunder’s planning. All of a sudden it meant that they had to account for three million dollars more per year for the next five years when they had to try and decide on Harden. And you may say to them “well you’re still an idiot because you should still pay Harden and pay the luxury tax. What’s your freaking problem, Thunder?” and the answer is they were horribly afraid of the repeater tax which they’d be in right now if they had signed Harden. So yes, if you want to frame the decision that they screwed up with Harden – yeah - but they got a terrible piece of misfortune there.”
And in case anyone wants to ask “well, why not still blame the Thunder’s cheap owners for not paying the repeater tax?”


BW (from a little later in the pod):


“All I’m saying is, the thunder’s point of view of it is, that we’re now in year 6 of the CBA and the Thunder would have been a tax payer for 5 of those 6 years had they done the Harden deal and therefore they would not be in a position to do anything. As you know, the repeater tax even scared away Prokhorov. He fled on the repeater tax. The Miami heat fled on the repeater tax. [The league] has been trying to figure out ways to create a hard cap – well you’ve finally found it. Everybody’s afraid of that repeater tax, even guys like Micky Arison who are worth like 8/10 billion and Prokhorov, one of the richest people in the world, are afraid of the repeater tax. And that’s what OKC was afraid of and that’s what was put on their plate (by the league). They knew that because they had Durant and Westbrook and if they added Harden they’d be deep in the repeater tax by now and they still couldn’t afford them.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:14 am to
Pay the tax. You had the most marketable threesome this side of south beach. Or, you know, don't trade for the albatross Kendrick Perkins deal or cut bait on Ibaka.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:15 am to
solid post.

OKC definitely thinks it got screwed...but will see no sympathy from the Internet community considering they left Seattle.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37584 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:15 am to
tl;dr

Windhorst is a fat hack
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:16 am to
quote:

All I’m saying is, the thunder’s point of view of it is, that we’re now in year 6 of the CBA and the Thunder would have been a tax payer for 5 of those 6 years had they done the Harden deal
Even if they traded Ibaka?
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123621 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:16 am to
Seattle gets the last laugh.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:18 am to
OKC and their apologists loves them some revisionist history. They didn't want to pay Harden a lot of money (less than max money, mind you). The tax was there, but that was really a result of them acquiring the corpse of Kendrick Perkins. They blew up a title contender over money. They deserve what happened thereafter.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:19 am
Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
45086 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:19 am to
quote:

tl;dr

Windhorst is a fat hack



Thanks for offering so much into the conversation.

Also, Frick OKC.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:20 am
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82030 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:20 am to
The problem wasn't them trading Harden, it's what they got in return.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53340 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:21 am to
How much money are we talking about here? IMO if you are paying like 10-20 million in luxury tax per year, that's worth the pain to try to win. If it's like 50 million +, that is starting to be serious money when there is no guarantee of winning anything.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35319 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to
quote:

Pay the tax. You had the most marketable threesome this side of south beach.


They would be paying like 100 million + in tax payments.


That's insane.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to
quote:

How much money are we talking about here? IMO if you are paying like 10-20 million in luxury tax per year, that's worth the pain to try to win. If it's like 50 million +, that is starting to be serious money when there is no guarantee of winning anything.
My question is, are they even paying the tax if they traded Ibaka, kept Harden, and didn't get the corpse of Kendrick Perkins?

This obviously didn't help them, but they didn't seem to help themselves either.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to
quote:

How much money are we talking about here? IMO if you are paying like 10-20 million in luxury tax per year, that's worth the pain to try to win. If it's like 50 million +, that is starting to be serious money when there is no guarantee of winning anything.


The tax would only be an issue if they didn't trade Ibaka. Realistically, it wasn't a real problem. The real problem was they were hellbent on low-balling Harden.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to
quote:

They would be paying like 100 million + in tax payments.


That's insane.


Not if you launch Perkins out of cannon and trade Ibaka.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82030 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am to
quote:

My question is, are they even paying the tax if they traded Ibaka, kept Harden, and didn't get the corpse of Kendrick Perkins?

This obviously didn't help them, but they didn't seem to help themselves either.
trading Harden, not Ibaka, was the right call at the time.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:25 am to
The tax shite was garbage. OKC broke up a title contender over 6 million. That's a fact.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Pay the tax.


quote:

As you know, the repeater tax even scared away Prokhorov. He fled on the repeater tax. The Miami heat fled on the repeater tax. [The league] has been trying to figure out ways to create a hard cap – well you’ve finally found it. Everybody’s afraid of that repeater tax, even guys like Micky Arison who are worth like 8/10 billion and Prokhorov, one of the richest people in the world, are afraid of the repeater tax.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25098 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:26 am to
Pay the tax in the first year of Harden's extension, move Perkins and Ibaka. This isn't that difficult.

ETA: I just remembered that OKC could have AMNESTIED Perkins! No issues with getting him off the books. The tax was not the issue.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:28 am
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39156 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:30 am to
Calls someone out for not adding anything to conversation....Doesn't add anything to conversation...
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110841 posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:31 am to
quote:

I just remembered that OKC could have AMNESTIED Perkins
Doesn't really help save money since you have to pay him...unless someone else wanted to take on that contract which seems unlikely.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 3Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram