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re: Spinoff: Why does Everybody Attribute Super Bowls with Quarterbacks?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:14 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:14 pm to Cowboyfan89
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So by that logic, Eli must be the Greatest, since he beat Brady twice.
Come on man, you were rolling until you tried to say Manning only got 2 Super Bowls because he faced two crappy QBs. I mean, look at who he had to go through to win those 2. He had to beat Brady to get to 3 of his 4 Super Bowl appearances.
When Eli gets into January, he wins. That means something.
Since 2005, Brady has had a potential Super Bowl championship season derailed by a Manning FIVE TIMES. That's gonna also keep him from being in the same conversation with Graham and Starr. And I don't give a shite that about his abilities as a passer are superior. He had the far superior team TWICE against Eli and he's 0-2.
Eli took two VERY flawed teams to championships. But Marino couldn't overcome his defenses even one time? GTFO with that. Marino had a rematch with the '85 Bears and could have won, but he couldn't beat maybe the worst team to ever reach a Super Bowl (The Patriots). That ABSOLUTELY should mean something.
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Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:14 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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quote: Yeah why would the 1 person who makes a crucial decision with the ball for 50% of the game be valued over a DE or TE?
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So you value Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino? What about Russell Wilson at the moment? You know Dan Marino, probably the most physically gifted throwing quarterback of all time. And even though Manning has over 10,000 more yards than Brady, over 100 more TD's than Brady, and higher yds/game and completion percentage than Brady...somehow...Brady is better.
Where in my post did I compare Dilfer to Marino?
If you can read and comprehend a whole 30 words you would have read gave a higher value of a QB position to a TE or DE.
You guys are tools
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:16 pm to lsutigers1992
You're fricking retarded if you think that Eli fricking Manning is better than Dan Marino. And you shouldn't talk football if you believe that.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:17 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You're fricking retarded if you think that Eli fricking Manning is better than Dan Marino
That would be dumb... BUT... Was Marino better than Fouts??? CAREFUL..........
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:17 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You're fricking retarded if you think that Eli fricking Manning is better than Dan Marino. And you shouldn't talk football if you believe that.
Stats don't mean a thing without the bling
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:22 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
It's cause its the only argument Brady fans have over Manning so they always use it. It's nonsense.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:24 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Stats don't mean a thing without the bling
OK.... Who was better??? Staubach or Bradshaw?????
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:37 pm to lsutigers1992
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That's gonna also keep him from being in the same conversation with Graham and Starr.
Oh God, you are going to catch hell for mentioning them. According to the MSB, Starr is no where in this conversation. Doesn't matter how many titles he won. He is NOT in the greatest QB discussion by MSB standards.
I caught hell for that the last time this stupid conversation came up.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:42 pm to gobuxgo5
Brady has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed twelve years of his career.
Peyton Manning has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed seven years of his career.
Ben Roethlisberger has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed eight years of his career.
Drew Brees has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed two years of his career.
How can you say because Drew doesn't have as many Superbowl wins as these other players it's because he wasn't as good of a quarterback? Does he play on defense? Attributing titles to quarterbacks is the dumbest things fans do when comparing players. Superbowl wins is a Team stat.
Peyton Manning has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed seven years of his career.
Ben Roethlisberger has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed eight years of his career.
Drew Brees has had a defense rank in the top ten for points allowed two years of his career.
How can you say because Drew doesn't have as many Superbowl wins as these other players it's because he wasn't as good of a quarterback? Does he play on defense? Attributing titles to quarterbacks is the dumbest things fans do when comparing players. Superbowl wins is a Team stat.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:44 pm to cssamerican
Who is saying that? If Drew Brees did win a super bowl would you agree he was more imprtant than Colby Fleener?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:50 pm to gobuxgo5
What I'm saying is it is dumb to look at Superbowl victories as a way to judge Quarterbacks, because it is a team accomplishment not an individual one.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:53 pm to cssamerican
Tell that to every football analyst.
Btw, some of those guys that say that are former QBs.
Btw, some of those guys that say that are former QBs.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:55 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:You're making a pretty common mistake of pitting two QBs in a head to head argument. But they don't play against each other, so it's not really making a point.
So by that logic, Eli must be the Greatest, since he beat Brady twice. Come on man, you were rolling until you tried to say Manning only got 2 Super Bowls because he faced two crappy QBs. I mean, look at who he had to go through to win those 2. He had to beat Brady to get to 3 of his 4 Super Bowl appearances.
I have no problem using Super Bowl wins or what ever people feel the need to use when talking about "the greatest" anything. Let's face it, except for a couple of positions in sports, you are splitting hairs either way. The line is absurdly thin between 1 and 5 in most cases.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:58 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:you mean the two times he walked off field as a Super Bowl champ only to have his defense blow it? Did Brady miss the sack on Eli? Did Brady give up the TD?
He had the far superior team TWICE against Eli and he's 0-2.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:00 pm to alajones
I didn't make the comparison. The guy I responded to did. Merely used his flawed logic to make a point. Follow the bread crumbs, sheesh.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:00 pm to cssamerican
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What I'm saying is it is dumb to look at Superbowl victories as a way to judge Quarterbacks, because it is a team accomplishment not an individual one.
The title of the thread and your argument are 2 completely different topics brah
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I didn't make the comparison.
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He had to beat Brady to get to 3 of his 4 Super Bowl appearances.
Sorry. My mistake.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:12 pm to alajones
Again...whole post is playing off of the previous posters concept.
Why is reading comprehension such a difficult skill to master on this board?
Why is reading comprehension such a difficult skill to master on this board?
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:08 pm to dukke v
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OK.... Who was better??? Staubach or Bradshaw?????
1971-1974: Staubach
1975-1979: Bradshaw
As for this Marino shite, I ain't arguing that Marino doesn't throw a better football and had better accuracy. But when Marino had a shot in January, he didn't do shite. And it wasn't his defense's fault a lot of the time.
THE FOUR MOST IMPORTANT GAMES OF MARINO'S CAREER
1983 DIVISIONAL (home vs. Seattle): 15-25-193-2-2
1984 SUPER BOWL (vs. San Francisco): 29-50-318-1-2
1985 AFCCG (home vs. New England): 20-48-248-2-2
1990 AFCCG (home vs. Buffalo): 22-45-268-1-2
OVERALL (with 3 home games): 86-168-1027-6-8
THE FOUR MOST IMPORTANT GAMES OF ELI MANNING'S CAREER
2007 NFCCG (at Green Bay): 21-40-251-0-0
2007 SUPER BOWL (vs. New England): 19-34-255-2-1
2011 NFCCG (at San Francisco): 32-58-316-2-0
2011 SUPER BOWL (vs. New England): 30-40-296-1-0
OVERALL (with 0 home games): 102-172-1118-5-1
Marino's so FREAKING great, but in January he's barely completing half his passes and throwing more INTs than TDs, when he's a career 60 percent passer with around 170 more TDs than INTs. Meanwhile, in January and Feburary, Eli suddenly starts putting up Marino regular season stats? And that doesn't matter? You can have all Marino's 440 yard/5 TD games against some doormat Colts team and it adds up to zero in elimination games.
Did I say Eli is a better overall QB than Marino? No
Did I say Eli is a better QB than Marino when it counts? ABSOLUTELY. And I'm not backing down from that.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:15 pm to Jack Ruby
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Why are pitchers judged on wins and losses?
Because we don't understand advanced statistics?
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