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re: Soccer then and now.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:32 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:32 pm to Freauxzen
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So yeah, that kind of poll is massively flawed, but it gets to the deeper issue of sports...Football is #1 because of the SOCIAL aspect. Everyone watched football so it's easier to say, "Yeah I spend more time talking about it and interacting about it. It's also (right now) a higher quality product." This goes or any fans of non-football sports. Football, right now, is a behemoth, and skews the results a bit.
Preach. Amen.
I've been following the European leagues for damn near twenty years now. I love getting up early on the weekend to watch. And I would still say college football is my favorite sport. It doesn't mean soccer popularity doesn't continue to grow.
Anecdotal I know, but people in my office were watching Euro 2016 matches during the day despite no US interest in the tournament. My girlfriend began asking what clubs certain players at the Euros played for.
The more people that begin to watch and talk about soccer will keep the growth going.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:27 am to nvasil1
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The more people that begin to watch and talk about soccer will keep the growth going.
What a ground breaking observation.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 1:13 am to baybeefeetz
I watch it but I understand that soccer is an Olympic sport in America.
We get all jazzed for world cup and Olympics and not much else.
How many SEC schools are invested in college soccer?
How are they doing their part?
Not much huh?
If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase.
It's like USA is Midwest and west coast pro popular fanbase and nothing else.
That's not a national fandom.
It's Oregon and Washington and Cali and Ohio.
That's the soccer fanbase that puts butts in the seats.
We get all jazzed for world cup and Olympics and not much else.
How many SEC schools are invested in college soccer?
How are they doing their part?
Not much huh?
If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase.
It's like USA is Midwest and west coast pro popular fanbase and nothing else.
That's not a national fandom.
It's Oregon and Washington and Cali and Ohio.
That's the soccer fanbase that puts butts in the seats.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 1:21 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 1:28 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Then baseball and hockey are excluded due to their limited support except for specific regions.
If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase.
In fact, only football and basketball meet this standard.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 2:21 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The best thing for soccer in America is for no college to invest in it and let our youth talent develop in academies here or abroad.
Soccer will never surpass football as my number one sport (college or NFL) but in the 6 months or so I've really started following soccer, it has exponentially surpassed any interest I have in the MLB or NBA (college athletics are a little different because of the sense of personal connection I feel with the outcome).
EA has sold over 100 million copies of FIFA, and PES has sold 86 million copies, for a combined 186 million copies. Madden has sold 99 million copies. Even if only half the soccer games sold in the world are in the U.S. it would be almost equivalent to Madden sales. I know this is only one aspect but it opens up a whole new generation of kids to players, teams, leagues, etc that organically will cause the sport to grow, and MLS will have to invest in their product otherwise the top European leagues will continue to secure these huge TV deals in the U.S. and the MLS will eventually die.
Just my opinion at least.
Soccer will never surpass football as my number one sport (college or NFL) but in the 6 months or so I've really started following soccer, it has exponentially surpassed any interest I have in the MLB or NBA (college athletics are a little different because of the sense of personal connection I feel with the outcome).
EA has sold over 100 million copies of FIFA, and PES has sold 86 million copies, for a combined 186 million copies. Madden has sold 99 million copies. Even if only half the soccer games sold in the world are in the U.S. it would be almost equivalent to Madden sales. I know this is only one aspect but it opens up a whole new generation of kids to players, teams, leagues, etc that organically will cause the sport to grow, and MLS will have to invest in their product otherwise the top European leagues will continue to secure these huge TV deals in the U.S. and the MLS will eventually die.
Just my opinion at least.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:24 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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We get all jazzed for world cup and Olympics and not much else.
No one cares about the olympics in soccer. It is an U23 competition.
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How many SEC schools are invested in college soccer?
How are they doing their part?
Would I love it to have SEC mens soccer? Yes. Does it have any impact on what you are talking about? Absolutely none. The reason we don't have mens soccer is a Title IX issue.
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If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase
You bringing up college soccer just proves how absolutely little you know about this topic
Plus college baseball is horribly unpopular, yet MLB seems to be doing just fine
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If you can't make it huge nationally in college besides the West Coast, it won't provide a fanbase
Top 10 markets for the English Premier League
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1. Seattle
2. West Palm Beach
(tie) Dallas
4. Louisville
5. Columbus
6. Tulsa
(tie) Norfolk
8. Richmond
9. Buffalo
10. Washington
(tie) Sacramento
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This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 3:26 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 6:26 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
You are so far out of your depth in this discussion.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 7:20 am to pvilleguru
Seems this is the same topic as the other day regarding the big 4
Posted on 7/14/16 at 7:30 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But I think equally valid is showing that it really hasn't changed as people's #1 sport in 30 years is valid evidence that it isn't growing like you think. Because that number would have changed.
This is stupid. Just because it's not a favorite sport doesn't mean its not growing. I didn't follow soccer until a few years ago, it's not my favorite sport either, but I like it very much. Same with a few of my friends.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 7:34 am to cheesesteak501
Did y'all know hockey and swimming are actually two of the fastest growing sports among youth?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 7:37 am to BIGDAB
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also soccer needs to be exposed to more kids at an early age, especially in the deep south.
Kids start soccer around 3 or 4 years old. I've seen more kids in soccer and less in football. My sons play football, one in 5th grade and the other in 8th. Last season the youth leagues had to go 9 on 9 because enrollment was at an all time low. Parents scared of concussions. I think in 10 years you will see more talent in the MLS, NBA, MLB and less in college football/NFL because of parents keeping their kids out of football and pushing them to other sports. Now the deep south is probably different but I'm just going by my experience here in Columbus Ohio.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 7:40 am to tduecen
From what I hear, due to the Panthers success this year, youth hockey has exploded in south florida. Many programs have been opened up. Soccer is still huge down here tho.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 8:53 am to Freauxzen
Soccer/MLS will not pass NHL in 10 years. There is a huge disparity in revenues, following, etc. I can understand the sentiment on a predominantly southern message board. Come up north and that statement would get laughed at though.
Also, the NHL & hockey is growing at a grassroots level nationwide. The #1 pick in the NHL draft this year is from Arizona. More Americans were picked in the Top 10 than ever. An American, Patrick Kane, was the league's most valuable player. The US is putting out some serious top level talent in hockey, something soccer hasn't done. Look at the numbers of youth players in "non-traditional" markets. California is exploding in growth right now, for example. Top it off with the NHL being bigger in Canada than the NFL is here. Yeah, the NHL and the sport are actually on the upswing.
The real answer to the "I see more soccer on TV" is the proliferation in channels and the need for content. Today I see more hockey on TV than ever before, and NASCAR, and college baseball, and women's softball, and lacrosse, and MMA, and the list goes on. There is more everything now.
Also, the NHL & hockey is growing at a grassroots level nationwide. The #1 pick in the NHL draft this year is from Arizona. More Americans were picked in the Top 10 than ever. An American, Patrick Kane, was the league's most valuable player. The US is putting out some serious top level talent in hockey, something soccer hasn't done. Look at the numbers of youth players in "non-traditional" markets. California is exploding in growth right now, for example. Top it off with the NHL being bigger in Canada than the NFL is here. Yeah, the NHL and the sport are actually on the upswing.
The real answer to the "I see more soccer on TV" is the proliferation in channels and the need for content. Today I see more hockey on TV than ever before, and NASCAR, and college baseball, and women's softball, and lacrosse, and MMA, and the list goes on. There is more everything now.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 8:57 am to SoDakHawk
As both a huge hockey and soccer fan, I see soccer growing at a much higher rate.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:05 am to pvilleguru
Well the youth participation numbers prove that statement wrong. Hockey is one of the fastest growing sports and the stats, not anecdotal evidence, proves that.
Forgot about hockey in the desert. NHL to Vegas, AZ State going D1 hockey. UNLV and Arizona on the verge too. Even have heard that Kansas and a few Big Ten schools will be starting programs.
No denying soccer is growing but my point is other sports are growing too. I'm using hockey as an example since it was said soccer will overtake the NHL, but lacrosse and other sports are growing too.
Forgot about hockey in the desert. NHL to Vegas, AZ State going D1 hockey. UNLV and Arizona on the verge too. Even have heard that Kansas and a few Big Ten schools will be starting programs.
No denying soccer is growing but my point is other sports are growing too. I'm using hockey as an example since it was said soccer will overtake the NHL, but lacrosse and other sports are growing too.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:10 am to SoDakHawk
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Forgot about hockey in the desert. NHL to Vegas, AZ State going D1 hockey. UNLV and Arizona on the verge too. Even have heard that Kansas and a few Big Ten schools will be starting programs
Alabama's team is wanting to make the jump as well, but there's still only 3 places in the state that you can play ice hockey that I know of.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:23 am to pvilleguru
You can also look at all the cities that have been trying to get MLS teams. In the next few years, they are adding teams in Atlanta, St. Paul, LA, and Miami, and there's still places like St. Louis, Sacramento, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Detroit, Charlotte, Cincinatti, Louisville, Oklahoma City, and Austin that are trying to get a team.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:28 am to pvilleguru
Then - sucked
Now - still sucks
Now - still sucks
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:37 am to tccdc
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Then - sucked
Now - still sucks
Doesn't suck as bad as VT.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:56 am to pvilleguru
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You are so far out of your depth in this discussion.
He really is. His arguments have no grounding in fact. He is just floundering trying to make a sandwich out of noodles.
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