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re: So the refs just gave Atlanta a win...

Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:22 pm to
Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:22 pm to
I figured I must have. I was half assed boycotting so that meant I could only half arse watch the game.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:33 pm to


What's the problem?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:06 am to
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Lions got robbed by the runoff rule.


They got robbed by their doing because they failed to save a time out to stop the clock in such a scenario.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:10 am to
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What's the problem?


As the saints fans claim, the knee is not down, no falcon is touching him, and the ball is across the goal line. Take a closer look.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 am to
I'm a saints fan and he was down after seeing the freeze frame.

No worries, this weekend was a Vegas killer. They made some big money as they always do a couple weekends out of the regular season

Saints with the fools gold today. Still don't believe in them.
Posted by dhuck20
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:14 am to
Well, this thread delivered.
Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:23 am to
To clarify, my issue is with the runoff rule. Not that Tate was down because clearly he was. Granted I didn't like the Lions playcalling at the 1 yard line.

Refs made the decision to review the play. It wasn't 4th down and there was 8 seconds left. You review the play, say he was short, reset the ball and start the clock back. That is the most logical solution. You asshats saying "that's why you don't use all your timeouts" are making a silly argument. A team shouldn't be penalized for not having a TO left. The NFL shouldn't feel satisfied with the ending result of that game. THAT is why I say the Lions were robbed.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:24 am to
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You review the play, say he was short, reset the ball and start the clock back.
That gives Det a free timeout and a definite advantage.
Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:09 pm to
Sure, but an automatic runoff is an advantage for Atlanta. The point of the runoff is because the NFL assumes that it takes a team 10 seconds to to get to the line to run a play. We all know what assuming does. It doesn't take 10 seconds to move up and run a play. If you're moving up from a 50-yard completion, sure, hell it could probably take longer than 10 seconds, but we're talking about a no-gain completion here where the entire team is already near the line of scrimmage.

There shouldn't be a blanket rule for this kind of situation.

Imagine if that were the NFC championship game. We're gonna let Atlanta move through to the Superbowl because of that technicality? Christ. I couldn't imagine the outrage.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:18 pm to
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There shouldn't be a blanket rule for this kind of situation.

Well make a proposal.

Your first proposal won't work. You're screwing Atlanta by giving Detroit a free timeout.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:27 pm to
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Your first proposal won't work. You're screwing Atlanta by giving Detroit a free timeout.




There shouldn't be a runoff after a required review. Period.

The runoff was created to stop "fake timeouts" for things like faking injury and offensive penalties.

I seriously doubt they thought about the impact it might have on a late game review when they made the rule.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:34 pm to
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There shouldn't be a runoff after a required review. Period.

In this situation, no run off gives Detroit a free timeout. They get to be on the ball ready to snap it when the ref blows the whistle at 9 or 10 seconds. So they essentially get two more plays.

That seems much better than what happened. Much more equitable. Good job.

This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95130 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:37 pm to
A free timeout is better than a free win.....


There is no perfect rule, but this seems worse than the possibility of giving a team a timeout
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:38 pm to
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A free timeout is better than a free win.....

You're gonna have to explain to me how it was a free win. They tackled the WR on the goalline with 9 seconds left and no timeouts. Free win?
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There is no perfect rule, but this seems worse than the possibility of giving a team a timeout

One of the teams was getting screwed here. Reset with 9 seconds on the clock: Detroits gets two plays and Atlanta gets the short end of the stick; run the clock 10 seconds and Detroits gets the short end of the stick.

I'm fine with the way it turned out.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:40 pm to
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I'm fine with the way it turned out.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:40 pm to


I'm sure you are. I was pulling for the Lions.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95130 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:42 pm to
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You're gonna have to explain to me how it was a free win. They tackled the WR on the goalline with 9 seconds left and no timeouts. Free win?
If the refs don't frick up, I beleive the lions run another play. Free win is to strong to say

The worse case scenario for the current rule is what happens Sunday

The worst case for no runoff is a bad review in which a team gets an undeserved timeout


Situation 1 just feels dirtier to me
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:43 pm to
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If the refs don't frick up, I beleive the lions run another play.
It would have been close.
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The worst case for no runoff is a bad review in which a team gets an undeserved timeout

In this situation, Detroit is on the ball ready to snap with 9 seconds. They get two plays.

ETA: Either way, one team is walking away pissed.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:43 pm to
And it's giving both teams a timeout..
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:44 pm to
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And it's giving both teams a timeout..

You act like that's a benefit for the Falcons.
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