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re: Should the CWS rotate to different locations?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's fair, when teams are well aware of their CWS destination and can build for it...
To have it change, year after year...
One year a great homerun team gets an advantage, next year it's a great pitching team...unbeknowest to the coach who recruit great hitters...because by year 3, he's now playing in a huge park...
You don't give coaches a chance to build and plan and you reward teams that just happen to have an advantage that year for certain ballparks by rotating.
It needs to be uniform to be fair.
This is nonsense.
The actual answer is they found a neutral location that will actually support it so it won't move.
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:19 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
It needs to be uniform to be fair.
It is part of the game to play at different ball parks that are different than your home park.
What are you talking about?
Playing the final four in a big dome can throw off a great shooting college basketball team who is used to playing in smaller gyms.
A slow Big 10 football team, who is dominate in the snow, can be destroyed playing indoors on the fast Superdome turf.
Playing at different ball parks with different dimensions is what makes baseball great.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:19 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Build a baseball team that is adaptable to any environment.
Yes but how can build for anything if its just gonna change all the time...
quote:MLB has got along just fine.
And what happens to stats and history?
quote:I disagree.
This would smell of corruption and some conference with great hitting or great pitching pushing certain fields every year. It would be a disaster and rife with bribery and confusion.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:20 pm to ctiger69
Exactly. Baseball parks have never been uniform. Now all of a sudden it's unfair to make them non-uniform.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:23 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You can't interchange like basketball.
You better let the NCAA know about this because they interchange the college baseball super regional host sites every year.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:26 pm to ctiger69
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It is part of the game to play at different ball parks that are different than your home park.
This isn't the MLB WS dude.
This is collegiate baseball.
They aren't playing 7 games against each other to win the title.
You can't willy-nilly change it every year to give one team an advantage.
Because unlike MLB, we are not playing the CWS at each teams ballpark. Do you get that?
That's why your MLB analogy is so wrong and off.
I can't believe nobody else sees the obvious...these are not home games...but neutral sites changed year to year that will affect teams differently.
Neutral sites year to year...this isn't college basketball (court dimensions don't change...see movie Hoosiers if you are confused) or MLB.
Changing neutral sites year after year in College baseball creates instability, year to year unnatural advantages for certain teams and a cluster-frick when it comes to historical stats.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:28 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And what happens to stats and history?
Stats matter in college basketball...every court is the same...football is 100 yards.
Then why aren't they using the same bats they did in the 90's? Why aren't the playing at the same baseball field?
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It would be a disaster and rife with bribery and confusion.
There's a reason LLWS and CWS have to have a designated place.
How do they assign the title game location in CFB, CBB, WCBB, etc. without bribery and confusion?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:29 pm to saintsfan22
All football fields and basketball courts have the same dimensions.
So you're being cute or obtuse.
So you're being cute or obtuse.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
If uniformity with baseball field dimensions is such a big deal, why aren't all fields the same size? I don't understand what you're getting at by comparing baseball fields with basketball and football fields.
ETA: And how would changing fields year to year put certain teams at a disadvantage?
ETA2: You're spouting some ridiculous nonsense in this thread.
ETA: And how would changing fields year to year put certain teams at a disadvantage?
ETA2: You're spouting some ridiculous nonsense in this thread.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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and a cluster-frick when it comes to historical stats.
How does moving to a completely different park where no one can hit home runs not do this?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:36 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
no
let Omaha have something nice.
its fairly centrally located.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:37 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Well, I believe it's fairly obvious it needs to remain at one place to produce consistency in fairness, coaches know where they are going so everyone is on a level playing field to prepare their squads for the CWS and stats will remain equal...
It actually makes college baseball fair like college basketball and college football...
The best are all playing each other on a predetermined field that everyone has known about for years.
There's no excuse and no surprises...
Switching year after year would bring unfair surprises and unfair disadvantages to some great ballclubs.
and history will make sense in terms of wins...none of this complaining, you got lucky or MNC because your team got to play in a short right field and that was your specialty.
It actually makes college baseball fair like college basketball and college football...
The best are all playing each other on a predetermined field that everyone has known about for years.
There's no excuse and no surprises...
Switching year after year would bring unfair surprises and unfair disadvantages to some great ballclubs.
and history will make sense in terms of wins...none of this complaining, you got lucky or MNC because your team got to play in a short right field and that was your specialty.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:44 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Still have no idea what unfair surprises and unfair disadvantages you're speaking of.
Switching year after year would bring unfair surprises and unfair disadvantages to some great ballclubs.
Teams should build for balance. If you build a HR squad and end up in a huge ballpark, well then that sucks for you. The opposite applies for small ball teams.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:44 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Well if you don't think ballparks give certain teams advantages...then I don't know what to tell you.
And consistency is important in collegiate athletics...to have things uniform so they can measure everything.
It's why the NCAA doesn't sanction CFB. Too many variables that are unfair.
Like I said, this isn't home and home - that's why MLB works...every team is not at a disadvantage because they have to visit the other.
But an entire tournament that may really favor one team one year and really punish one team another year...is absurd.
As much complaints as this tourney is getting...can you imagine next year it's at a dink park...and some team wins 24-17 in the title game...and the next year it goes to an even bigger park than now and some team wins 1-0 in 18 innings.
That's a joke to have a sport fluctuate like that outside of strict parameters.
And consistency is important in collegiate athletics...to have things uniform so they can measure everything.
It's why the NCAA doesn't sanction CFB. Too many variables that are unfair.
Like I said, this isn't home and home - that's why MLB works...every team is not at a disadvantage because they have to visit the other.
But an entire tournament that may really favor one team one year and really punish one team another year...is absurd.
As much complaints as this tourney is getting...can you imagine next year it's at a dink park...and some team wins 24-17 in the title game...and the next year it goes to an even bigger park than now and some team wins 1-0 in 18 innings.
That's a joke to have a sport fluctuate like that outside of strict parameters.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:46 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Never heard a single person bitch about that in the MLB.
That's a joke to have a sport fluctuate like that outside of strict parameters.
Speaking of being dense and obtuse...
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
can you imagine next year it's at a dink park...and some team wins 24-17 in the title game.
Where the frick is this? Do you think they'll play the CWS at the LLWS field in Williamsport?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:50 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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Never heard a single person bitch about that in the MLB.
Jesus Christ...It's not the MLB!
How many times does this point need to be made.
Do we get to the final series in the CWS...and every team gets a home and home to make it fair?
No...
This is a neutral field that may be totally unfair to one team if you had your way.
If college baseball goes to the final series and...
Lets say...
It's LSU and UCLA
And Alex Box gets 3 games and UCLA gets their games...then we can talk about irregularity in stadiums and fields and MLB.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:53 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:How would it be unfair?!
This is a neutral field that may be totally unfair to one team if you had your way.
If some team is dumb enough to build a completely imbalanced team, then that's on them. Build a balanced team and you won't have to worry about which park you end up in. Each team would have to play on the same field, with the same balls, with the same rules.
Can't believe I'm arguing this nonsense. Disadvantages, corruption, bribery, etc.
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:54 pm to ctiger69
I guess I should just point out...
Under the NCAA, you can't have irregularity year to year.
So...instead of arguing, I should have just pointed out this thread was pointless...and really for MLB fans and not people who understand how collegiate athletics work...not college football...but the people who get those NCAA plaques...that has to be sanctioned and uniform and regulated.
Under the NCAA, you can't have irregularity year to year.
So...instead of arguing, I should have just pointed out this thread was pointless...and really for MLB fans and not people who understand how collegiate athletics work...not college football...but the people who get those NCAA plaques...that has to be sanctioned and uniform and regulated.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Some BCS championships are played inside on turf. Some are played outside on grass.
Under the NCAA, you can't have irregularity year to year
What about the CFB teams that built their roster with the sole intention of playing on turf?!
The humanity!
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