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re: Same Scenario Next Year With a Four Team Playoff...
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Or you can come up with a new idea because forcing teams into conferences so that we can determine the playoffs by judging them solely by eight or nine of their 12 or 13 games is unreasonable and not a possibility.
Notre Dame can join a conference or shut up.
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Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:02 pm to ballscaster
Because all conferences are not created equally. This is not the NFL where parady changes from week 1 to week 6.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:09 pm to ballscaster
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Not every team is in a conference.
yeah they are, and in the case of independents, subsitute winning 10 games for "winning your conference"...
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:10 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:You took a terrible idea and made it worse.
yeah they are, and in the case of independents, subsitute winning 10 games for "winning your conference"...
Guys, requiring winning your conference is not a possibility. It never was, and it shouldn't be. Move on.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:13 pm to GeauxWrek
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No love for BYU?
I love BYU. They have SEC-caliber women.
But I don't think they're going to be part of this discussion anyway.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:13 pm to ballscaster
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Guys, requiring winning your conference is not a possibility. It never was, and it shouldn't be. Move on.
but it should be...
for a 4 team playoff, the only sure way in will be to go undefeated and win a big time conference. if you lose 1 at any time, you stand a chance to be passed over
if you don't win a conference, that means you lost a game somewhere down the line
This post was edited on 11/30/13 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:21 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:No it shouldn't. Already covered. Not a possibility.
but it should be...
quote:And if you're one of the four best in the country, you're in. Period. Done. Stop trying to screw it up with rules that are insane.
if you don't win a conference, that means you lost a game somewhere down the line
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:25 pm to ballscaster
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Stop trying to screw it up with rules that are insane.
Can't be any more insane than giving mulligans to teams that finish second in their division (and subsequently punishing a division winning team for playing in an extra game against a tough opponent)
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:29 pm to Bestbank Tiger
In a normal year you will have 1 maybe 2 undefeated teams. So your basically looking for the best two or possibly 3 three 1 loss teams. In today's world Bama would be in pretty good position to be one of those 1 loss teams.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:30 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Can't be any more insane than giving mulligans to teams that finish second in their division (and subsequently punishing a division winning team for playing in an extra game against a tough opponent)
Amazing how people don't get how way off they are when they say this. "Second in your division" refers to eight games. You play 12. Already you have a bad point. Furthermore, "Second in your division" can be coterminous with "second in the nation," as it was in 2011. Playing a team a second time is by no means "punishment" since every game begins with the score at 0-0.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:31 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
quote:Yep. Plain and simple--if you're one of the top four teams in the country, you're in (assuming the selection committee isn't evil).
In a normal year you will have 1 maybe 2 undefeated teams. So your basically looking for the best two or possibly 3 three 1 loss teams. In today's world Bama would be in pretty good position to be one of those 1 loss teams.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:33 pm to ballscaster
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Furthermore, "Second in your division" can be coterminous with "second in the nation," as it was in 2011.
That mulligan was based on the brand name.
If Oklahoma or Texas had one loss (even to Iowa State), and Mississippi State's only loss was to LSU, State would not have gotten a rematch. The resumes would have been identical.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:33 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
Winning a conference is irrelevant. College football talent is not evenly divided amongst conferences or divisions in conferences. If you cannot grasp this basic concept, then you are not worth even attempting to discuss this topic.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 9:38 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:This is a lie.
That mulligan was based on the brand name.
School - Computer ratings
Okie St. - 2 2 2 2 3 3 - (2.25)
Alabama - 2 2 3 3 3 3 - (2.75)
The two schools had similarly tough schedules with a slight edge to OSU. Alabama scored more than four times the amount of their opponents; OSU scored less than twice the amount of theirs. This does not factor into the computers, of course. If it did, Alabama would have been a unanimous #2. Alabama was #2 because they earned their ranking, as much as that sucks.
Posted on 12/1/13 at 8:25 am to Bestbank Tiger
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If Oklahoma or Texas had one loss (even to Iowa State), and Mississippi State's only loss was to LSU, State would not have gotten a rematch. The resumes would have been identical.
Yay. This guy gets it.
Which is part of my point in the OP.
There will only be certain teams that will be allowed to finish third in their conference and finish in the final four.
What 2011 taught us was that Oklahoma State is not one of those programs. Had Oklahoma State been Oklahoma or Texas, they play LSU.
This playoff is going to reward mediocrity among the "elite" programs. Just wait and see.
Posted on 12/1/13 at 8:34 am to lynxcat
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Winning a conference is irrelevant.
I actually agree with this.
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College football talent is not evenly divided amongst conferences or divisions in conferences.
Agree with this as well, however, with the case of Bama, when you look at their REGULAR SEASON schedules the past three years, the fact that they have been rewarded for losing one of their only two, maybe three tough games a year, especially late in the year, is discouraging as a CFB fan.
Posted on 12/1/13 at 9:46 am to OutofTownAlumni
quote:blame the voters, not the 4 team playoff game.
Said this when they announced 4 team playoff. SEC gets screwed. We have 3vs4 possibly in the SEC Champ. Loser gets screwed and a 5 ranked Bama automatically makes it.
Personally there's virtually nothing that could happen in the SEC title game that would make me come Bama over auburn. I wouldn't penalize auburn compared to Bama for losing the conference title game.
Posted on 12/1/13 at 9:48 am to TypoKnig
quote:personally, if there's a 4 team playoff, I want the 4 best teams, so there's that.
Why is only having division or conference champions in the playoffs a dumb idea?
It's also dumb because you would never see good teams play out of conference, what would be the point of that?
This post was edited on 12/1/13 at 9:49 am
Posted on 12/1/13 at 9:57 am to shel311
Why don't you remove subjective bias and let the computers seed the top 4 conference champions.
If you arent the best in your conference you already lost a tournament(ex-playoff) to a better team. Why should that not matter?
Settle that shite on the field. The people bitching about second teams from conferences just want a way to back into the playoffs.
You should definitely have to win your conference to get into the playoffs.
If you arent the best in your conference you already lost a tournament(ex-playoff) to a better team. Why should that not matter?
Settle that shite on the field. The people bitching about second teams from conferences just want a way to back into the playoffs.
You should definitely have to win your conference to get into the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/1/13 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/1/13 at 10:00 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:It does. It counts as a loss. And you can lose a conference game and still be in the top 4. And if there's a four-team playoff, you're in.
If you arent the best in your conference you already lost a tournament(ex-playoff) to a better team. Why should that not matter?
quote:Again, it's unrealistic and imbalanced against teams who are not in conferences and will never be forced into conferences. You are persisting with a bad idea that is unrealistic, unfair, imbalanced, and not on the table.
You should definitely have to win your conference to get into the playoffs.
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