re: Rush: What Happened to Discipline in Sports?

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hate on Dwight Howard because they think he isn't serious enough

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The Johnny Manziel hate rings a bell.

Says the guy that was fired from ESPN.

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I think Rush is talking more about the more crude and cocky stuff. It's the "look at me" generation. Like grabbing your crotch at the other team, acting like you are taking a dump on the ball, etc.

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And I think players have been doing this shite for a very long time, it just wasn't as easy to come across in the past.

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I can somewhat see that, except for that offensive rebounds will never be bad basketball

If the other team is just sending back people and burning you, then adjust, but I saw Anthony davis get an awesome offensive rebound and put it back while the rest of the team had already transitioned to the other end... that's just my opinion.

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Sending Anthony Davis to the offensive glass is very different then telling a PG to follow all of his shots.

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Had the Title of the OP read: Charles Barkley: What Happened to Discipline in Sports? Al Michaels: What Happened to Discipline in Sports? ...you guys would be creaming all over yourselves. You want to talk about hypocrisy and skewed perceptions? The game(s) didn't just fall out the sky.

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Give it up, man. 40 years ago, only men went to the games, everybody drank, smoked, and gambled, and an in-game fight rarely drew a suspension or was worthy of front page news. Now women and children are at the game, gambling fixes are gleaned by playing fantasy sports, smoking is banned, no beer after the third quarter, and if there's an altercation, a player leaving the bench accidentally gets suspended for a game.

The idea that there is less discipline in sports is insane and stupid. What has happened is that we have a higher expectation of civility, so naturally, grown men will more often come short of that expectation. More people get in trouble because there are more rules.

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I don't think it was prominent until the late 80's hip hop generation. Fab 5, The U, etc.

People like Rush hate that kind of brash cockiness.

That's why a lot of people hate Johnny Manziel. So it's not a race thing as much as a culture thing.

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Then some of these soccer goal celebrations might give Rush a heart attack

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I don't think it was prominent until the late 80's hip hop generation. Fab 5, The U, etc. People like Rush hate that kind of brash cockiness. That's why a lot of people hate Johnny Manziel. So it's not a race thing as much as a culture thing.

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Ok. But even if you put 1980 as the starting point, which I think it's earlier, you're talking about 35 years of this behavior. Which is over half of Rush Limbaugh's lifetime.

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Pee wee through some high school, it's good basketball since younger players and teams can't push the ball up the floor so fast, and younger players tend not to rebound well. Any earnest effort to rebound is, therefore, good.

But yes, when you get to the level where players and teams are more adept at using and traversing the entire floor in seconds, following your shot starts to get unwise.

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That's why I said it's stupid "at the highest levels".

Following your shot is more of a kids thing.

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"But in football, any of these other unsportsmanlike or taunting penalties that players get or unsportsmanlike they get for improper celebrating in the end zone. The rule is the rule. Where are coaches on this? When I was a kid and didn't run a ground ball out to first base, I got benched. I mean, I was coached, I was told, "You're gonna hustle."

I don't understand professional football players who behave in immature -- well, I do understand, that's the point, but why it's not coached, why it's put up with by the coaches.

I understand, "Well, the players are getting all the money, and if the coach says, 'Hey, Marshawn, stop the crotch grab.' Marshawn, 'Screw you, buddy. If one of the two of us is gone, who do you think it's gonna be? It's gonna be you.'" I'm just using him because he's a recent example.

There's all kinds of players that the coaches seem to exhibit no -- I mean, ridiculous 15-yard penalties that are killer penalties against a team and a player will get one for stupidest post-play behavior or whatever. Do the coaches not take these guys aside after the game and say, "One more time like that and you're not starting?" It just makes very little sense to me. So that's what I thought he meant by player discipline and the lack of it, 'cause there clearly is a lack of player discipline."

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No more respect for the game. Just give me my money. No appreciation for the guys who made huge sacrifices and truly made the games they play great.

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Well, that is one viewpoint, then there is the one that appreciates Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, as well as the untold number of silent and invisible players who show uo to work long before they are required and stay long after.....

GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!

Rush has no point, just an agenda.