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re: Rumors about Peyton Manning
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:22 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:22 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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if peyton manning is expendable, i can assure you that matt schaub is, too
The Peyton Manning you are talking about is not expendable, the Peyton Manning that exists in 2012 is not the Peyton Manning you think.
Again this is not Fantasy Football, where you start from scratch and just draft players. These are real people with egos, actual contracts, you have chemistry issues. What are you going to do if other players on the Texans don't like the idea of just throwing Schaub aside because a bigger name that was better in the past is available? Not that anyone would necessarily tank it, but you are a naive fool if you think that might not affect players and the team performance. The Texans players do not view Schaub the way fans do, i guarentee you that.
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:23 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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bigger contract once he hits the open market? whats the going rate for average QBs who half-arse their way through games b/c they are pouting? theyre pros. its business.
I'm sure qb's look at it as just business. Look at Brett Favre going to the Vikings that wasn't just business. Peyton Manning coming to the Texans wouldn't be just business. Mcnabb going to the Redskins wasn't just business. Carson Palmer refused to play for Bengals. QB's take it very personally.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:28 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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i am totally in favor of peyton to the texans with one caveat: hes healthy enough to play. obviously we have no idea where he is now or where he'll be in 8 months.
that's a big if.
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all im saying is matt schaub is not a sacred cow.
no one else is saying that either. Its not that people want to keep Schaub because he's so good we can't part with him. The point you are missing is Schaub is a good QB, Manning's health status is unknown. Its not worth the risk for a legit SB contender to cast aside a loyal, good QB for a bigger name that was one of the all time greats, but is now older and coming off a major injury that kept him out for a year.
If you are a bubble type team like Az, Seattle, Miami maybe Washington that have no QB but could maybe make a run with a QB, its worth the risk. For Houston its not worth it, unless as i noted earlier, Schaub's injury is worse and could keep him from starting the season. If Schaub is ready to go, you stick with a guy like that.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:30 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
While we're randomly speculating, simmer on this:
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As the NFL readjusts to the problems that arise from spending that once again will be approaching the annual salary cap, there’s an important provision of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement that needs to be highlighted. Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next. This relatively simple device replaces past tools for carrying over cap space, which included (for example) loading up a renegotiated player contract with a phony “likely to be earned” incentive that would chew up space in one year and then trigger a refund to the cap in the next year. What’s odd about the new procedure is that teams must affirmatively choose to carry over the cap space. If a team wishes to be competitive, why wouldn’t all remaining cap space be carried over in any and every given year? The last time we updated the 2011 cap dollars, the Jaguars had $32.9 million in space. The Chiefs had $27.4 million, the Broncos had $25.6 million, the Bucs had $25.1 million, the Seahawks had $21.7 million, and the Bills had $20.9 million. The fans in each city should be clamoring for the maximum remaining cap room to be carried over, and the media in each city should be poised to get a full explanation if the full amount isn’t carried over.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:30 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:if hes healthy enough to play at a high level, then go for it. if not, youre right, its not worth it. everything im saying is contingent on him being healthy. being 90% of his former self.
The Peyton Manning you are talking about is not expendable, the Peyton Manning that exists in 2012 is not the Peyton Manning you think.
quote:this isnt the jets of 2010 or eagles of 2011 signing all these free agents and expecting a championship. its adding one first ballot HOFer and 4 time MVP. the guys in the locker room will sulk for 5 minutes over schaub then will be won over by manning and the opportunity to win super bowls. and you can make the money work. actual contracts get reworked for megastars all the time.
Again this is not Fantasy Football, where you start from scratch and just draft players. These are real people with egos, actual contracts, you have chemistry issues. What are you going to do if other players on the Texans don't like the idea of just throwing Schaub aside because a bigger name that was better in the past is available? Not that anyone would necessarily tank it, but you are a naive fool if you think that might not affect players and the team performance. The Texans players do not view Schaub the way fans do, i guarentee you that.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:33 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Jacksonville has a new coach and a new owner with deep pockets. They were also $32 million under the cap last year, and can carry that over to this year if they choose. If they trade for Manning, they could afford his salary for this year.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:36 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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hes healthy enough to play at a high level, then go for it. if not, youre right, its not worth it. everything im saying is contingent on him being healthy.
There is no way to know that until he plays and the bullets start flying. Its a lot easier to decide to stay in in poker if after you've seen all the cards.
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the guys in the locker room will sulk for 5 minutes over schaub then will be won over by manning and the opportunity to win super bowls
Thats a nice story, but it doesn't always work that way in the real world. I don't think anyone would purposely sulk and pout, but if people feel the team fricked Schaub, that could have lasting effects, its naive to say otherwide. They maybe pros, but they are also human.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:37 am to Sophandros
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Jacksonville has a new coach and a new owner with deep pockets. They were also $32 million under the cap last year, and can carry that over to this year if they choose. If they trade for Manning, they could afford his salary for this year.
And then Peyton would retire...
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:37 am to H-Town Tiger
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Thats a nice story, but it doesn't always work that way in the real world. I don't think anyone would purposely sulk and pout, but if people feel the team fricked Schaub, that could have lasting effects, its naive to say otherwide. They maybe pros, but they are also human.
shite, look at the Vikings for an example of what can happen.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:38 am to Sophandros
quote:he wont be traded.
If they trade for Manning
quote:your talking about j-ville. peyton manning isnt looking for more paychecks. hes looking for teams who can win super bowls immediately. j-ville may have the money, but they lack the most important thing: an already built to win now team.
they could afford his salary for this year.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:39 am to Duckman13
I would be shocked if this happened since it's not a Texans kind of move at all, but if Peyton was healthy I'd be all for it.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:41 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:just like how guys got butt hurt in NY and minny over favre, right? peyton is a likable guy, and can win over a locker room. ultimately, winning trumps all and winning big is what peyton wants and all those guys in the locker room want
Thats a nice story, but it doesn't always work that way in the real world. I don't think anyone would purposely sulk and pout, but if people feel the team fricked Schaub, that could have lasting effects, its naive to say otherwide. They maybe pros, but they are also human.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:46 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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just like how guys got butt hurt in NY and minny over favre, right? peyton is a likable guy, and can win over a locker room. ultimately, winning trumps all and winning big is what peyton wants and all those guys in the locker room want
The Jets had no quarterback in 06 and the Vikes had Tavaris Jackson coming off a bad season. Completely different
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:48 am to wildtigercat93
quote:im sure there were guys who believed the incumbent was the guy and good enough to win in those places.
The Jets had no quarterback in 06 and the Vikes had Tavaris Jackson coming off a bad season. Completely different
since when is matt freaking schaub some untouchable staple of the houston texans? the dude is average and injury prone. up grade the position if possible.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:50 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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since when is matt freaking schaub some untouchable staple of the houston texans?
This. I don't understand the sudden lovefest for Schaub. This is the NFL, if someone better (especially a healthy Peyton Manning) is there you take him every time.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:53 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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im sure there were guys who believed the incumbent was the guy and good enough to win in those places. since when is matt freaking schaub some untouchable staple of the houston texans? the dude is average and injury prone. up grade the position if possible.
In the players eyes it will hurt much more than the fans. They believe in Schaub and they don't believe Schaub deserves to be thrown aside because his play wasn't good enough. If the Texans aren't seriously contemplating taking Manning they should publicly state they aren't going to go after him because comments like
quote:this from the fans aren't going to help the team.
since when is matt freaking schaub some untouchable staple of the houston texans? the dude is average and injury prone. up grade the position if possible.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:54 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
thanks, leg 
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:54 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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just like how guys got butt hurt in NY and minny over favre, right?
Apples and Oranges.
Neither of those teams discarded pro bowl QB's that had been with the team for 5 years and to make room for Favre.
The year before signing Favre, the Jets were 4-12, their QB;s were K Moore and Pennignton.
The Vikings were 10-6 the year before getting Favre with 37 y/old Gus Ferrotte at QB. Also their HC Brad Childress had a relationship with Favre.
both of those teams needed a QB the Texans do not. The teams I listed earlier, Az, Seattle, miami, Wash, you can add, Jax or Tenn are comprable to the Favre with the Jets/Vikes.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:57 am to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:are you on the team? let me guess, youre friends with a few players and they all tell you this?
In the players eyes it will hurt much more than the fans. They believe in Schaub and they don't believe Schaub deserves to be thrown aside because his play wasn't good enough. If the Texans aren't seriously contemplating taking Manning they should publicly state they aren't going to go after him because comments like
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:58 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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im sure there were guys who believed the incumbent was the guy and good enough to win in those places.
You really think there were guys that thought Kellen Clemens as a rookie was good enough to win?
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since when is matt freaking schaub some untouchable staple of the houston texans? the dude is average and injury prone. up grade the position if possible.
And I never said he was untouchable or that they couldnt improve that position. Just saying you cant have both, thats where issues arrive
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