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re: Rumors about Peyton Manning
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:14 am to ColtsTigers
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:14 am to ColtsTigers
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When the teams are closely matched elsewhere, it does come down to QB play. That's why I say IF the Patriots finally surround Brady with some more talent, which they have done a relatively poor job of these last couple of years
Not always, unless you want to argue that the 11-5 Jets were better than the 14-2 Pats in 2010. Since clearly it was not QB play that won the playoff games for the Jets.
Certainly if the Pats upgrade they could get back and win another SB with Brady, not sure what that has to do with the possibily of the Texans winning in the next couple of years.
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And we are talking about an option this offseason that could improve them significantly.
No we aren't. You and a couple of others that think this is fantasy FB and that 2012 PM will be 2009 PM, which is UNKNOWN at this point. If the Texans dump Schaub for Manning and Manning can't play, then you are worse off and it the real world you can't keep both hanging around to see if Manning will be his old self, which BTW I don't see anyway possible. Favre's 2009 season with Minn was a fluke, but for them worth the risk given the QB's they had before.
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picking out one or two doesn't show much
Exactly, that's why your points about him not playing well in the clutch are myth's. He's been good late, just as often as he hasn't. You however will hold team results against him, which is idiotic and circular logic.
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:24 am to ColtsTigers
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Nope, I'm just listing multiple characteristics that make up system QBs
per your defination.
A system QB is QB's at Texas Tech under Leach.
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It's strong enough when the system is giving him open receivers
what system is there that has WR make sure they are covered?
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It's not strong enough on 3rd and long, when Schaub (or Ryan) often dumps it short of the first down because he can't make the elite throws like QBs with stronger arms can
You are wrong, dumping off could be either bad decision making, WR that are not open, bad play calling, any number of things. 3 and long is a low % down, its not like elite QB's make 3rd and long over 50%.
There are only a handful of truly elite QB's, but 32 teams, its up to the coach to desgin schemes and systems to best use the talent he has.
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I'm just saying that it isn't like QB isn't a position that couldn't be upgraded.
Almost any position on any team can be upgraded. I am not arguing that Schaub is an elite QB, he is not. But this is not fantasty FB where you can just upgrade. The only reaslitic way to upgrade is to draft someone that turns out better. There are too many questions about Manning to take the risk given that the Texans have a pro bowl level QB, a great D and an offense that is run oriented. Games where the QB will have to carry the team are few and far between and don't always occur in the playoffs. And BTW before this year, would you have thought Alex Smith could out duel Brees? So the fact Schaub hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't.
If I could just pick a QB, I'd take Rodgers, but the world doesn't work that way.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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Certainly if the Pats upgrade they could get back and win another SB with Brady, not sure what that has to do with the possibily of the Texans winning in the next couple of years.
Are you kidding? Now that the Texans are a contender, it matters a heck of a lot what the Patriots, Ravens, and Steelers do every offseason. That is your competition.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:32 am to ColtsTigers
If I was a gm,Manning would be to high risk,he just needs to retire...
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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There are too many questions about Manning to take the risk given that the Texans have a pro bowl level QB, a great D and an offense that is run oriented.
If Manning were to wait until later in the offseason to sign, and then it was determined that his arm is back to normal, I would certainly try to sign him if I'm the Texans. That is assuming that Mario Williams signs elsewhere, which would open up a lot of cap room.
But if Manning wants to sign right away, then I agree, too much risk for Houston.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:47 pm to ColtsTigers
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They lost to the Saints because they had to settle for a bunch of field goals, which is another characteristic of a system QB
How does that denote a system QB exactly? So the saints or packers or patriots or even the colts have never settled for FGs? Not to mention the fact that arguablely the Texans best player Arian foster didn't play in that game
Eta: some people have gone full retard In this thread and either don't actually watch the Texans play or dont know how they run their organization.
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:02 pm to ColtsTigers
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Are you kidding? Now that the Texans are a contender, it matters a heck of a lot what the Patriots, Ravens, and Steelers do every offseason. That is your competition
The Texans have no control over what those teams do, I really don'tget what your point is. If the Pats get a better D they will be better, that doesn't mean the Texans can't beat them. It doesn't mean they will win the AFC 5 straight years. It also doesn't mean the Texans can't better and changing QBs isnt the only way for them to get better. The Texans D was very young, they could get better.
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If Manning were to wait until later in the offseason to sign, and then it was determined that his arm is back to normal, I would certainly try to sign him if I'm the Texans
For only the 15 millionth time, this isn't fantasy football, you don't just take a top 10-12 QB and push him aside with out it causing disention on the team. YOUR view of Schaub being a "system" QB and not a leader or as someone that folds in the 4th Q is not shared by most football people, including players on the Texans.
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But if Manning wants to sign right away, then I agree, too much risk for Houston
Its too much risk either way, unless you have a time machine and can travel into next Dec and see how he plays. You and everyone else keeping thinking its a given he will be the PM of old.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:03 pm to texastiger38
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some people have gone full retard In this thread
in fairness, they may have always been full retard
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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in fairness, they may have always been fullretard
No doubt, everytime I see someone post in this thread I want to post your avatar to them
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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For only the 15 millionth time, this isn't fantasy football, you don't just take a top 10-12 QB and push him aside with out it causing disention on the team. YOUR view of Schaub being a "system" QB and not a leader or as someone that folds in the 4th Q is not shared by most football people, including players on the Texans.
Yeah, I'm sure signing Peyton Manning would bring tons of dissension.
What an unpopular, controversial guy! Actually, I would doubt that I'm the only one that thinks he's a system QB.
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It also doesn't mean the Texans can't better and changing QBs isnt the only way for them to get better.
You're right, finding someone better than Kareem Jackson certainly would help too.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A system QB is QB's at Texas Tech under Leach.
I would also add that every QB is made a little bit different, thus a QB being in an offense that maximizes his potential isn't a bad thing. I'm not saying Manning would be garbage in Bruce Arien's offense, but Roth obviously couldn't run Peyton's offense in Indy.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:26 pm to ColtsTigers
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You're right, finding someone better than Kareem Jackson certainly would help too.
You guys were top 5 defense last year, how would upgrading one corner help you out that much?
Its not like he was THAT bad, if you want to see bad defensive back play, look no further than the revolving door at safety that the Patriots had to deal with next to Chung. It got so bad that we started a former all-pro corner at the safety position and allowed a walk-on to start in the AFC Championship game.
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:58 pm to ColtsTigers
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Yeah, I'm sure signing Peyton Manning would bring tons of dissension. What an unpopular, controversial guy!
That's not the issue, but you fools that keep operating like Fantasy FB are forgeting there are other real world implications and that things aren't zero sum. Things do not happen in a vaccum.
First and foremost, YOUR opinion of Matt Schaub is not shared by the Texans or most of his team mates or most people that know anything about football. You can't just discard a guy like that because a bigger name is available. Schaub is younger and has played well the last 3 years that might not sit well with Schaub's team mates and friends on the team if you just decide to bring in someone else that might be better. You are looking at it like a fan or someone from the outside. There are other things to consider than just a ranking on a sheet of paper.
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 2/16/12 at 2:00 pm to Jcorye1
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You guys were top 5 defense last year, how would upgrading one corner help you out that much
and Jackson really wasn't that bad last year. They could use some help in the secondary, but the only position they really need to upgrade is WR.
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a QB being in an offense that maximizes his potential isn't a bad thing
I beleive that's called good coaching. You work with the talent you have or find guys that fit your system.
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/16/12 at 2:01 pm to Jcorye1
Probably hates him because of what college he played for,he was much improved this past year....
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