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re: Rockets want to trade Asik by Dec 19th
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:23 pm to NekiEcko
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:23 pm to NekiEcko
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Plus Milsap is only have two years on his deal for 8 mil.
9.5 million.
Anderson has 3 years at 8.5 (actually 8.3, 8.4, 8.5) and is 3 years younger and an ascending player. Virtually all of the GMs in the league, after seeing what he's done this year, would take Anderson over Millsap.
Anderson's also been better in most categories this year than Millsap and his PER is like 3 points higher. Is WS is much higher this year if I remember correctly.
Anderson is a better value and a better player than Millsap at this point.
Obviously it depends on what you need as a team, too.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 1:26 pm
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I'm pretty sure most were expecting that... especially after it came out that he was asking for draft picks.
Houston is in win-now mode, so picks are going to be packaged in a trade and flipped to another team.
After Morey built this team from scratch through flipping picks and players, I have no doubt he's going to do something similar and make a few moves before he reaches his goal.
He's unlikely to get a lottery pick for Asik.
Like I said, I think he's going to get pieces that don't fit...like an expiring and a decent player or two, that he can then flip at the deadline with another player to make a "major move". That's why December 19 matters.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:31 pm to NekiEcko
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Anderson is better than Milsap? Really, seriously really. Plus Milsap is only have two years on his deal for 8 mil. That is a bargin versus Anderson.
So far this season? Ryan Anderson has absolutely been better than Paul Millsap. Really, seriously really.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
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Anderson's also been better in most categories this year than Millsap and his PER is like 3 points higher. Is WS is much higher this year if I remember correctly.
Ryan Anderson has played 9 games this year. He will regress to his career norms unless you honestly think he will keep his production up
For their careers Millsap is as good or better in almost every category. They are equal offensive talents with Millsap being a much better defender.This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:36 pm to ZTiger87
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He will regress to his career norms unless you honestly think he will keep his production up
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:38 pm to ZTiger87
He's played 9 games and he's 25. Why are you assuming he didn't just improve?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:40 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:Maybe because he's shooting 53% from 3...
He's played 9 games and he's 25. Why are you assuming he didn't just improve?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:42 pm to ZTiger87
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He will regress to his career norms unless you honestly think he will keep his production up
He doesn't have a career norm.
His numbers have gotten better every year he's been in the league. Do you think a 25 year old can't continue to improve?
26-30ish is generally when a player is at their peak.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:43 pm to ZTiger87
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They are equal offensive talents with Millsap
milsap is good at what he does, but offensively he is not as good as Anderson. They are totally different players, and im pretty sure Anderson's skillset is valued more.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:44 pm to PrimeTime Money
His numbers may come down, but not necessarily to where they were.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:45 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:His numbers last year were nearly the same as the year before, if not slightly worse.
His numbers have gotten better every year he's been in the league.
And 2009-2010 was probably his best year statistically (although he played much less MPG).
So he hasn't really improved a lot. He's improved enough to keep the same stats even though he's played increased minutes.
He's stayed about the same and had slightly different numbers each season.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
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His numbers last year were nearly the same as the year before, if not slightly worse.
He averaged almost a full point more PER 36. His PER went down because his usage went up SIGNIFICANTLY.
That doesn't mean he hasn't improved as a player.
But I don't know what to tell you if you don't think that Anderson is a more valuable player on a better contract than Millsap.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:50 pm to Fun Bunch
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He averaged almost a full point more PER 36. His PER went down because his usage went up SIGNIFICANTLY.
That doesn't mean he hasn't improved as a player.
Even as a Pels fan, that is a hard sell
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:53 pm to Fun Bunch
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His numbers have gotten better every year he's been in the league.
No they haven't. His shooting across the board went down last year. His total rebounding % has gone down 3 straight years. His ORTG went way down last year. His DRTG went way up (not good). His career numbers say he will probably finish the season shooting 43-44% (38-40% from 3) with 6-7 rebounds a game.
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Do you think a 25 year old can't continue to improve?
Players don't make massive jumps in year 6.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:He took more shots and only averaged 0.8 ppg more. So his FG% was lower, his 3pt% was lower, his rebounds were lower, free throw percentage was lower, steals lower, blocks lower, and turnovers higher.
He averaged almost a full point more PER 36. His PER went down because his usage went up SIGNIFICANTLY.
That doesn't mean he hasn't improved as a player.
Almost every stat he regressed.
You could chalk it up to usage if you'd like... I haven't checked his usage rate... but even still, it doesn't really show any improvement.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:02 pm to ZTiger87
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Players don't make massive jumps in year 6.
Jermaine O'Neal and Chauncey Billups says hello
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:08 pm to WB504
Points Per game:
7.4
7.7
10.6
16.1
16.2
22.1
You wouldn't call that getting progressively better?
I'm not talking about a major jump. He's about to enter the prime of his career. I don't think he'll stay at 22 PPG, but he hasn't even played his best basketball yet, most likely.
ANyway, this is way far afield.
Let's get back to Asik's trade value. And the possible expiring contracts they can get for him.
7.4
7.7
10.6
16.1
16.2
22.1
You wouldn't call that getting progressively better?
I'm not talking about a major jump. He's about to enter the prime of his career. I don't think he'll stay at 22 PPG, but he hasn't even played his best basketball yet, most likely.
ANyway, this is way far afield.
Let's get back to Asik's trade value. And the possible expiring contracts they can get for him.
This post was edited on 12/6/13 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:10 pm to Fun Bunch
Why is this tooth guy so mad?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:11 pm to rondo
quote:
Why is this tooth guy so mad?
He is pretty amusing.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:12 pm to rondo
Dirk had a nice jump in the middle of his career. Similar players. It's not unheard of.
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